Quote Originally Posted by Manic View Post
That's where I agree, and I stand by the belief that the death penalty should be administered only when no doubt remains whatsoever. If because of that only one case comes along every five to ten years that's simply open and shut in that regard, then so be it. Like I said before, it's not something that should be doled out to everyone who's committed even a misdemeanor.
And the price you pay is a "big brother - state" scenario?
We are not really much short of that for reasons of bogus public safety.

~+~

To me it wouldn't be relevant, if there is certainty or not.
Why?
Because i also do not care about their terms or if they get punished "enough".

I care about my personal level of security or threat and that is not there;
I also care about the level of security of others and that might be there, but there will be a lot of effort spent in executive act by the state to counter that, excluding hanging and excluding also locking them up in a livelong solitary.
Both do not strive to achieve the best result with the least severe impact on everyones lives (yea, that means to a significant extent, they produce an avoidable and un-called for one).

If you think that doesn't happen, protest about that, but what good comes from locking people up?
Criminality and domestic violence and acts of random unprovoked brutality like that will not go away.

I read a lot of "how could they do that" also;
I think an outcry for harsh punishment validates a general sense of their achievement rather than following rules in situo (and they are not generally lacking, just because people "feel" like it).

A dispute about fundamentals induced by cause is not rational, it is having a clear emotional target and origin, that already makes it obsolete and worthless.
Certainly an unnecessary exaggerated violation of peoples lives is not beneficiary for anyone, especially, when there aren't any rational arguments for it.
Even if those people happen to have offended the law and the lives of others; making things worse is not producing any results but self-gratification of lowest drive, by harming others and living out illegitimate cowardice.