Let's have a discussion on: Martial Arts

[Ronin]

Ive had to hit my opponents badly before they would give up

That has much to do with tactics, technique and superiority over the situation. Holding him in a lock simply gets replaced with being able to evade his attacks or use them to your advantage.
A lock or a hold should be the last measure, only necessary, if you are feeling unable to fend the attacker off.
Engaging in ground combat with completely covering your opponent and using your bodyweight should come absolutely last.
There is no need to give up your mobility stance and initiative if you don't feel forced to do so.

I hope you see what I said before as being relative;
Every martial arts that I know of, is under the criticism of having several training induced weaknesses.
A Ma should be able to learn a complete spectrum of techniques, such as kicking, boxing, locks, holds and ground-fighting.
I just see it that way, that the priority for me starts at the right side, that is why I focus on Karate.
It's a personal thing.
I have also taken part in a some Aikido lately, which I found pretty interesting.

I like the Japanese MA's because they are very purist and focused on the "quality" of the techniques; You need to control your entire body and can't just throw a sloppy punch once in a while, it's not really deceptive, but very direct.

[JackTheStripper]

is wrestling a martial art if so that because wrestlers seem to own everyone in MMA(UFC)

[FWAPout]

is wrestling a martial art if so that because wrestlers seem to own everyone in MMA(UFC)

lol.

uhm okay, wrestling wouldn't be a martial art, but yes it's still a fighting art or whatever.

And on your UFC quote, no UFC fighter is just a wrestler they put hours of training into their stand up, ground game etc. Idiot.

[Fuxey]

That has much to do with tactics, technique and superiority over the situation. Holding him in a lock simply gets replaced with being able to evade his attacks or use them to your advantage.
A lock or a hold should be the last measure, only necessary, if you are feeling unable to fend the attacker off.
Engaging in ground combat with completely covering your opponent and using your bodyweight should come absolutely last.
There is no need to give up your mobility stance and initiative if you don't feel forced to do so.
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What i meant was that i dont know ( as you said in the cririticism part) that well how to lock my enemy - neutralize him... call muay thai a knock ma if you want, but we mostly learn to kick right through in situations. we lean more to the side of being offensive than defensive. ofc the defensive part is also big practised but not as much as the offensive IN MY EYES, that is.

I also think its a part of the training. ive done some Kung Fu where we learned not to hit right through but rather neutralize our enemy. Also, maybe because the law is pretty tough when talking MA, in Denmark that is

Wrestling is more of a sport than it is martial arts. There aint no art in wrestling. when i say art i mean a specific culture, idea of creation, spiritual over it.

[Ronin]

Well, that's interesting;
If I am right, Tequando, Muay Thai and kickboxing are pretty similar in that way.
That was actually some sort of a turnoff for me, because it makes it very similar to traditional boxing.

in Karate, for example, every block can not only be used as an active block (eg, blocking the opponents face away, for instance, lol) but is also paired up with a energy-pressure point to neutralize the attack of the enemy.

For example, a point that is used with the palm in Aikido, to "channel" energy into the arm of the enemy (which is unusual, as Aikido normally sees the Chi exiting through fingers) like holding a sword, which makes the enemy unable to move and even through right pressure can give quite an amount of pain and a general feeling of paralysis, that takes some time to wear of, is the same spot, where a high block in Karate ends, even though you do not really apply that pressure.

Usually, locks and throws are very, very dangerous to use without proper training;
For example there is a series of throws in Aikido, where you basically duck under the attack of a charging opponent with an extended right , grab his throat and throw him to the floor, whilst stopping his feet with the right foot, to avoid him stumbling back.
If those sort of technique is used swiftly, you need to be able to trust your training-partners skill.

Almost any lock or throw can easily lead to pretty painful and severe injuries (possibly even on yourself);
You work up your way to the more complicate ones slowly.
(In the beginning you have absolutely no understanding of the pain you can cause with twisting a hand in a certain direction; It is a strange experience as you clearly need to develop a feeling for it.)

That is why most boxing MA's don't have much of this in their program;
Mastering that is just as complicated as mastering a boxing art, but more technique focused and probably more difficult to get into.

[Fuxey]

Tequendo is more an art than MT is. Kick boxing has nothing artish about it really.

[Onissan]

I've done like 3 year of Shotokan Style Karate and I loved it, I was forced to stop due to some leg problem...I was going for green belt, I should probably try again but like Paladinn say a page ago I would have to start like a white belt...

[Ronin]

Kick boxing

I found it interesting how far the stances are from more traditional, less sport oriented forms of Karate.
That alone makes it a thing of it's own imho.

I am just watching some presentation stuff of a local club, tequando has actually a lot of throws, not as complicated as it could get though, pretty similar to Karate.

[EpicPhail]

I've probly done a combined 8 years of MA.

4 of Kick boxing 2 of straight boxing , and about 2-3 years of both akido , and tai-chi.


Realy , I dont use any of the tactics in theese alone , the perfection of martial arts is to make it an art. Learning many styles , teaches you many counters and difrent views , and in a fight its usefull to use all of these aspects.

I loved taichi and aikido the spirtual part was kind of odd at first , but I started to buy into it , kick boxing was probly the most fun though.

I'd like to take a bit of tai , and MT in the future , but I'm not sure if I want to continue with MA right now.

[Fuxey]

I found it interesting how far the stances are from more traditional, less sport oriented forms of Karate.
That alone makes it a thing of it's own imho.

I am just watching some presentation stuff of a local club, tequando has actually a lot of throws, not as complicated as it could get though, pretty similar to Karate.

Kick boxing reminds a lot of muay thai. the major difference is the shin vs foot kick. Shin is elemental in MT. Also the clinch vs grabs.

[Gath]

Depends on what size you are. Some martial arts are better for smaller people or heavier people.

I am a larger person. (5'9 160 Lbs. Only 13 0.0)

So I'm going to start Judo soon, as it was suggested by my friends as something better for heavier people and so forth. Little more information would be helpful.

[Thalamast]

and no muay thai ?

don't like muay thai

i do some tournuments but very little. i do it to pass time

[I am better than you]

Systema pls..

[dannylamb]

was never really into Martial arts, Boxing is more my thing.

Systema pls..

holy Sh** that is ****ing amazine!

[Ronin]

was never really into Martial arts, Boxing is more my thing.



holy Sh** that is ****ing amazine!

Basically all soft techniques in MA's look exactly like that, nothing special.
Lol, at the commies renaming it in a ridiculous way.

[Fuxey]

Great post Hian! I would also like to point out that skills is what you make them. No martial arts is the best. its all up to how you, yourself, can make it the best.

[Urahara]

I use to practice TKD when I was really young until I beat up one of the bully during pre-school. My parents stop me from going TKD but I practice it by myself using guidebook. But through out my life, I have a bit of Judo, Wushu and Muay Thai experience.

I always want to try BJJ though.

[hian]

@Fuxey:
exactly. In the end, it does't matter what technique you're about to use, if the opponent has already used his faster/stronger/more devastating technique on you :P

That's why just focusing on forms, be it a punch from boxing, or a kick from tae kwondo, with the mentality of taking a shortcut to become a good fighter is bad IMO.
There are to many factors in play when you're facing off, to think that you can defeat people simply because your "style" has such and such a technique that "ensures" your victory.

That's my problem with most discussions on styles.
I mean, everybody is talking about "picking" or practising the style that works best etc.
As I see it, this shows a certain lack of commitment to training martial art in the first place, because it means your first concern is to find a style that will "easily" enable you to defeat others.
Martial art is without question, hard work. How much hard work are you willing to put into it, if you're already looking for shortcuts before you even started training?

If you can't even defeat yourself, how are you ever supposed to defeat others?

[Fuxey]

Why do a bunch of two year trainees feel they have the experience to write pages of pseudo-philosophy on martial arts?

It's just funny. Anyone'd think you've all been training for 15 years.

I dont know if you meant that in a bad way. either way, if you find something wrong about the ideas/philosophy then go for the ball, not the player

[Ronin]

Why do a bunch of two year trainees feel they have the experience to write pages of pseudo-philosophy on martial arts?

It's just funny. Anyone'd think you've all been training for 15 years.

On the Internets,
we did...
noob

Those videos are a work, from my training experience all of those throws and fancy pressure points are useless once your opponent rushes toward you and just straight throws a cross at your face. You have no time to retaliate whatsoever. I recall seeing this video of a spar between an MMA fighter who was an amateur to a man who was trained in kung fu and aikido, the kung fu man was quickly merc'd by a take down and GnP.

tltr;
You'd get merced; I know, cause I saw it on youtube.

[Chaotix]

I dont know if you meant that in a bad way. either way, if you find something wrong about the ideas/philosophy then go for the ball, not the player

if a game is going downhill, u bench the player, not the ball.

[FWAPout]

On the Internets,
we did...
noob



tltr;
You'd get merced; I know, cause I saw it on youtube.

You are no doubt, at liberty to judge my fighting abilities.

[TheRequiem]

I practice the art of CQC on a daily basis.

Knife not avaliable. What now?

[StragoX]

I hold two belts in Tae Kwon Do.

one in WTF 1 Dan-4 years
one in ITF 1 Dan- 7 years

Also i do Muay Thai, i spent 6 months in Phuket, Thailand training in a camp. Unlike USA's training facilities where the teachers were students with average skills at best, i learned from actual past Muay Thai champions. If anyone is interested it's actually very cheap and affordable, 6 months of training + a place to stay + food on the table =$4,000

I would just like to add that they treat you like an extension to their family.

6 years of tae kwan do
6 years of hopkido
5 years of aikido and still going

seems unbelievable since you can't even spell hapkido and i doubt the typo since the a and o are on opposite sides of the keyboard.

gg

[Urahara]

@StragoX

Tell me the name of your instructor.