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    Quote Originally Posted by coaltiger08 View Post
    k deal man come show me your martial arts gongfu
    yer lying about your knowledge and got caught man take it like a man



    ask Hian i cant compete with his mass knowledge of gongfu
    Lol wtf is gongfu? Sounds ******ed.

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    gong-fu is the proper way to spell it
    but everyone calls it kung-fu
    people use gong-fu so u ask why they called it that to sound smart
    either way same thing though
    its all martial arts and they all come from gongfu originally
    its kind of a modern term for it is all

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    Learn how to not loser your ****ing balance and punch someone in the damn face.

    All of your other advice sucks.

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    that works too

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    Quote Originally Posted by coaltiger08 View Post
    k deal man come show me your martial arts gongfu
    yer lying about your knowledge and got caught man take it like a man
    Wtf, How can I get caught when you haven't responded to even a single one of my arguments? You're a complete cop-out and a charlatan as far as I'm concerned, it's obvious to anyone who knows anything about martial arts beyond empty propaganda and elitist attitudes.

    Why don't you take it like a man? The fact that you're biased, and the fact that your knowledge on the field is limited. Come back when you've studied for a few more years.
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    my MuayPhat instructor in Calgary is reading this thread and laughing his *** off
    some of these posts are hilarious
    we post about martial arts all the time on another site dunno if i can list it
    we get guys like that sometimes there too

    Quote Originally Posted by hian View Post
    Wtf, How can I get caught when you haven't responded to even a single one of my arguments? You're a complete cop-out and a charlatan as far as I'm concerned, it's obvious to anyone who knows anything about martial arts beyond empty propaganda and elitist attitudes.

    Why don't you take it like a man? The fact that you're biased, and the fact that your knowledge on the field is limited. Come back when you've studied for a few more years.
    lol im not even gonna add to that
    enough said
    yer right i am biased i only know the styles ive taken
    i havent taken them all
    i can link the tao of jeetkunedo .pdf if u like
    being serious i dont mind

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    Learn the ninja art of "Godai Ninpo."

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    Quote Originally Posted by hian View Post
    This is exactly why I question your understanding of his works. Have you read Bruce Lee Jeet Kune Do: Bruce Lee's commentairies on the martial way?

    This book consists solely of(appart from the introduction) the writing bruce lee made himself, and his direct qoutes. What you are saying directly contradicts a lot of that.

    Bruce Lee did not drop the traditional gongfu(i'll keep on using the word thank you since it is the correct one in terms of language), he dropped the forms of traditional gongfu. There is a difference. In principles, almost all the traditional martial arts preech that forms should be dropped eventually.

    Anyways, by taking the words of Bruce Lee as the gospel, you're already missing his point. Bruce Lee was far from perfect, and to a certain degree he was even a hypocrite. Despite what he wanted, facts point to him being no more formless than most traditionalists(only a better fighter). If he was formless, then why is his way of fighting one of the most distinguishable there is?

    I'll qoute bruce lee directly here:



    Furthmore, the way Bruce fought, in his own words, were mainly based on Wing-chun, boxing and western-fencing. Without his study into these arts he would have no fundation in which to base his way of fighting. This itself proves the futility of trying to create something from nothing(going no style without any fundation).

    EDIT: And never once did I see bruce advice people to not practise styles. Only to not get bound by them.

    Another quote:
    he didnt drop traditional gongfu only the forms?
    but hes using western boxing
    anyone else getting this?
    and im not taking bruce Lees words as gospel ive trained in a ton of styles
    i was helping this guy and giving advice
    i didnt say " u have to do this bruce Lee says so"

    "If you want to understand the truth in martial arts, to see any opponent clearly, you must throw away the notion of styles or schools, prejudice, likes or dislikes, and so forth. Then your mind will cease all conflict and come to rest"
    page 17 tao of jeetkunedo
    yer right he never said to drop style lol

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    Just move... Fixes the whole problem and you get to meet new people !

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    exactly Bilo

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    Quote Originally Posted by coaltiger08 View Post
    youll be next man
    hell trash you soon
    i can see it coming its your turn...
    ha! he missed me out.

    he got tunnel vision, he's gonna be on your *** till you're down and out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hian View Post
    Again, this is why I'm saying you don't understand. Really, I'm going to stop writing after this, because your ability to only see what you wish to see makes it impossible to have a conversation with you.

    How is western boxing forms incompatible with the traditional philosophy? One traditional philosophy is "being like water". How does western boxing conflict with this? Are you acting stupid on purpose or are you just trolling?

    And you've trained in tons of styles? Then why are you giving a guy without martial training, advice to go buy The Tao of Jeet Kune Do? Do you really think buying a book that you don't have any disposition to understand properly is going to help him defend himself?



    Notion is a keyword here. After all he refers to his Jeet Kune Do as a style. He doesn't believe in STYLES, because there can only be one, because physics and the human body is always the same.
    He's not telling people however, to randomely wave their arms and then they can fight.

    I mean, what is your problem? How can you not comprehend that in order to learn martial art, self-defense, just like learning to play the piano or do math, you need a fundation. Bruce Lee himself is a living proof of this. Jeet Kune Do wouldn't exist in the first place if it hadn't been for the arts he practised first.
    this guy makes no sense at all lol
    yes anyone needs a foundation i said go to a frigging kungfu club ya moron cant u read
    how is western boxing conflicting with traditional gongfu you have got to be kidding no way you are serious
    notion? lol wow yer still trying to prove bruce lee wrong people have been trying for many years
    ALL styles will work for training
    if you want to learn self defense then learn a style that teaches self defense
    if you want to learn forms take a style that teaches forms
    yer picking a fight because i suggested a book by bruce lee and yer mad because you think hes wrong? wtf lol
    fine hes wrong dont read the book my bad
    so funny

    Quote Originally Posted by Z0MBiE View Post
    ha! he missed me out.

    he got tunnel vision, he's gonna be on your *** till you're down and out!
    ya i thought for sure youd be next
    i really loved "youve never responded to any of my arguments"
    musta missed the last 15 pages lol

    wonder why he hates bruce lee so much
    must hate modern styles
    my club has 2 hardcore tradtional guys there that are kind of the same way
    if you even mention bruce lee they get all pissed off
    i shoulda suggested a book by chuck norris dammit coulda skipped all this crap

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    Quote Originally Posted by hian View Post
    And went on by saying "don't go take TKD and karate because that's more fancy" lolwtf...



    Instead of building strawmen because you're too incompetent to answer, why don't you just try? Througout this entire conversation you've done nothing but evade my points. I asked you how is the FORMS of boxing counter to the PHILOSOPHY of traditional gongfu? Answer: it isn't. You're perfectly at liberty at using chinese philosophy and boxing in union(which you should know, since that's part of what bruce lee did, which you would know since you read his book )



    I'm not trying to prove him wrong. I'm simply stating the fact that you can't learn to fight(or to defend yourself properly) if you have no fundation, physically and mentally and just try figuring things out.



    And you're being an ignorant when you think a martial arts that teaches forms(which basically every martial art does including boxing, and self-defense course; what's a jab? a form. What's a hold-break? A form) doesn't also offer self-defense courses.

    I'm not picking a fight, I'm critizicing your biased views, which I am at liberty to do, because I believe them to be misleading.

    I don't think Bruce Lee is wrong. I think he was quite right. I don't think he reached his full goal before he died however.

    As Always, I'm just pointing out that it doesn't really matter what style you use to build your basic understanding. As long as you stay open and work hard, you gradually improve. Jeet Kune Do the philosophy is something meant for people at the peak of their training, not for people who've trained for a couple of years or have no knowledge of the martial science.
    how is fighting western style in a ring with a set of rules and gloves different than traditional kungfu?
    crap yer right theyre like exactly the same sorry yer right
    forms of boxing lets see watching a boxing show now..
    its JUST like kungfu!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by hian View Post
    And went on by saying "don't go take TKD and karate because that's more fancy" lolwtf...



    Instead of building strawmen because you're too incompetent to answer, why don't you just try? Througout this entire conversation you've done nothing but evade my points. I asked you how is the FORMS of boxing counter to the PHILOSOPHY of traditional gongfu? Answer: it isn't. You're perfectly at liberty to use chinese philosophy and boxing in union(which you should know, since that's part of what bruce lee did, which you would know since you read his book )



    I'm not trying to prove him wrong. I'm simply stating the fact that you can't learn to fight(or to defend yourself properly) if you have no fundation, physically and mentally by just trying to figure things out.



    And you're being an ignorant when you think a martial arts that teaches forms(which basically every martial art does including boxing, and self-defense courses; what's a jab? A form. What's a hold-break? A form) doesn't also offer self-defense courses.

    I'm not picking a fight, I'm critizicing your biased views, which I am at liberty to do, because I believe them to be misleading.

    I don't think Bruce Lee is wrong. I think he was quite right. I don't think he reached his full goal before he died however.

    As Always, I'm just pointing out that it doesn't really matter what style you use to build your basic understanding. As long as you stay open and work hard, you gradually improve. Jeet Kune Do the philosophy is something meant for people at the peak of their training, not for people who've trained for a couple of years or have no knowledge of the martial science.
    so you think im wrong because i suggested kungfu
    and a book by bruce lee
    wow am i a price
    i must not know anything after 25 years of training
    bruce lee was all wrong
    so what can i suggest thats ok with you?
    help the guy out
    yer disputing the difference between forms in one style and philosiphy in another style how the hell does that make sense
    the guy can take whatever style he likes he asked a suggestion
    i shoulda said ballet
    no i sohuld have said ya take boxing youll learn good self defense

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    oooo a nice cat fight going on with 2 ugly fat chicks that dont know shit.

    waiting for one to rip some hair

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    Quote Originally Posted by coaltiger08 View Post
    how is fighting western style in a ring with a set of rules and gloves different than traditional kungfu?
    crap yer right theyre like exactly the same sorry yer right
    forms of boxing lets see watching a boxing show now..
    its JUST like kungfu!!!
    I'll ask you one last time: Are you acting stupid on purpose??

    Seriously, are you saying that a jab or an uppercut or boxing steps are incompatible with traditional philosophy? Again NO THEY AREN'T.

    Bruce Lee himself based his entire way of looking at martial science, on the old japanese water analogy, that did NOT stop him from employng boxing techniques. God damn it, how dense can you get?

    I'm not comparing the entire arts, which I've made clear probably ten times by now, which you still fail to grasp. I'm going to assume you're a troll now, because you're certainly acting like one.

    Quote Originally Posted by coaltiger08 View Post
    so you think im wrong because i suggested kungfu
    and a book by bruce lee
    wow am i a price
    i must not know anything after 25 years of training
    bruce lee was all wrong
    so what can i suggest thats ok with you?
    help the guy out
    yer disputing the difference between forms in one style and philosiphy in another style how the hell does that make sense
    the guy can take whatever style he likes he asked a suggestion
    i shoulda said ballet
    no i sohuld have said ya take boxing youll learn good self defense
    No, for the 100th time, I'm critizicing you for being BIASED. By first being biased about styles, and then secondly spreading your bias, and then thirdy telling a guy to go read a book that won't make sense to him in the first place.

    You know what, how bout you tell him: Go find a club that drives you hard and teach you the basic of fighting. Find a self-defense course as well, or do some security guard training.

    Don't go "lol do kung fu, but dont do tae kwond or karata cuz its more fancy lol" when it's blatant bullshit.
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    lol now a guy picking a fight with 2 of us!!
    haha awesome

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    I love when people argue over the thread starter's first post. You guys aren't taking into consideration that he could probably care less. For all you know he picked up chess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hian View Post
    Wtf, you obviously are. I was saying Bruce Lee was right for gods sake. Bruce Lee did mix old chinese philosophy and modern martial arts like boxing and western fencing, so how am I saying he is wrong? Now you're the one saying Bruce Lee is wrong...
    hahaha now its my turn to prove bruce lee wrong
    if i stick up for him youll flame me
    if i trash him youll flame me
    wtf do i do
    better not post anything
    yer right whatever you say you got it you win yer the king!!

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    OK let me sum up the arguments here.

    THERE IS NO MARTIAL ART THAT IS BETTER THAN THE NEXT!

    Each art brings it's own glory to the table. Picking up multiple martial arts is even better, unfortunately I only have time for one. It all comes down to what you like, and especially your body structure. If you are 6"2 and weight 145 lbs like myself don't pick up boxing or grappling (unless it's JuJitsu). If you are 5"0 and weight 200 lbs don't pick up Tae Kwon Do or many forms of Kung Fu.

    It is completely up to you what to do. Or better yet just learn how to run.

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    *confused*

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    Quote Originally Posted by coaltiger08 View Post
    hahaha now its my turn to prove bruce lee wrong
    if i stick up for him youll flame me
    if i trash him youll flame me
    wtf do i do
    better not post anything
    yer right whatever you say you got it you win yer the king!!
    That's why I asked you if english was your first language... I never tried to prove Bruce Lee wrong in the first place. The only thing I ever said was to not accept everything blindly, which would be opposed to what he wrote in the first place. I only ever asked you to show some prudence and not be so biased. I mean, that shouldn't be hard for you, if you truly follow Jeet Kune Do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raziel21 View Post
    OK let me sum up the arguments here.

    THERE IS NO MARTIAL ART THAT IS BETTER THAN THE NEXT!

    Each art brings it's own glory to the table. Picking up multiple martial arts is even better, unfortunately I only have time for one. It all comes down to what you like, and especially your body structure. If you are 6"2 and weight 145 lbs like myself don't pick up boxing or grappling (unless it's JuJitsu). If you are 5"0 and weight 200 lbs don't pick up Tae Kwon Do or many forms of Kung Fu.

    It is completely up to you what to do. Or better yet just learn how to run.
    EXACTLY
    they are all good!!
    all teach a ton of good stuff
    take whatever you like
    o man hes gonna trash you for the height weight thing soon man
    thank god its gotta be someone elses turn

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raziel21 View Post
    OK let me sum up the arguments here.

    THERE IS NO MARTIAL ART THAT IS BETTER THAN THE NEXT!

    Each art brings it's own glory to the table. Picking up multiple martial arts is even better, unfortunately I only have time for one. It all comes down to what you like, and especially your body structure. If you are 6"2 and weight 145 lbs like myself don't pick up boxing or grappling (unless it's JuJitsu). If you are 5"0 and weight 200 lbs don't pick up Tae Kwon Do or many forms of Kung Fu.

    It is completely up to you what to do. Or better yet just learn how to run.
    i cant run for shit LOL



    OP:

    since you are getting knocked the **** out and stuff..

    use words, thats the technique you people learn because you cant fight back


    just be liok "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me"


    and then the bullies will be like "what?! like what evvs" and just walk away.. maybe give you a weggie

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    Quote Originally Posted by Q_switch_css View Post
    i cant run for shit LOL



    OP:

    since you are getting knocked the **** out and stuff..

    use words, thats the technique you people learn because you cant fight back


    just be liok "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me"


    and then the bullies will be like "what?! like what evvs" and just walk away.. maybe give you a weggie
    Or just whip out the sticks and the stones lmao.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Q_switch_css View Post
    i can pull high kicks thank you very much... cant say i wont strain my under leg muscles in the process
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