Are you shitting me? Nationalism is vital to the identity and livelihood of any country.Originally Posted by Norrin Radd
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Are you shitting me? Nationalism is vital to the identity and livelihood of any country.
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Britain is there and national pride is important.
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National pride is nonsense.
Of course not. It's land, it's just land.
If you're not proud of the actual land (And there's no reason to be), then you're inherently proud of what your country represents, no matter what it is. Sounds smart doesn't it? (No)
It doesn't need your allegience. I like and love what I grow to like and love. I like or love nothing inherently, because that's immeasurably ridiculous.
My country is not me, I am not my country. I'm a guy who happened to be born in the country known as England. You are just a guy who happened to be born wherever you were born.
No reason to be proud of something that means nothing and happened by chance.
Why are you proud to be wherever you're from? Let's see how long you can sustain this argument and I'll reply when I get home. Go.
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It's kind of like people who are proud to be a certain race.
Or proud to have two hands and two feet.
You should be proud when you actually achieve something. You shouldn't just be proud of something you were given with no work.
That is like walking down the street and having a random guy hand you 10,000 dollars and then being proud for all the hard work it took to get that money.
Also you should not be proud of your country just because you were born in it.
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Yeah i expected China to be first up there tooShouldn't China be 100 percent?
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I was totally playing this video while reading your post.
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Patriotism gives people a reason to fight, it was also very effective back then when it could be exploited with propaganda so saying it's useless is a rather stupid statement. 'it was a defense of our freedom', it was also a defence of our country and so patriotism comes into place.
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No, it doesn't.
The reason behind it wasn't "England is awesome! We're so proud!". It was "We don't want to be Nazis, we need to stop Hitler from doing this to any other helpless country, and possibly us if his empire keeps growing.".
Our army was defending a way of life, not a flag, literal land/soil/dirt or anything like that.
There may have been soldiers who individually fought for the patriotism, but the initial reason for going to war was not one of patriotism. It was a defense of freedom, the same reason anyone fought against Hitler.
Freedom is not any country's trait, it's a human desire.
That's why it makes me laugh when Americans cite "We live in a free country." as their reason of being proud Americans. As if anyone else is living in the Age of Apocalypse.
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countries are so overrated and are an idea from like 3000 thousand years ago when first civilizations started.
I'm a member of the planet :3 ,
Now , set course for Aldebaran cap'n
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10chars because I answered in the quote.
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Alivada, "Patriotism is the primary driving reason why soldiers give their lives to war! They love their country so much they are willing to give away their lives!"
Norrin, "No you're wrong. Fear of having their country be changed by the insidious evil that is Hitler is what made them sacrifice their lives. They were afraid of an undemocratic world where their families at home would suffer and fought out of desperation to maintain their country regardless of how crappy that they thought it was. Because they felt Hitler's regime would be a lot worse."
The Ghost of the Soldiers Past, "Hey guys. You know what would be real nice. A nice hamburger on the Eiffel Tower while watching some good old British comedy skits. That's all we really fought for."
Norrin & Alivada, "Shutup."
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Supprised Canada is proud of their country.
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IMO you shouldn't be proud of a country until you've experienced EVERY LAST PART of it.
Theres shame everywhere. Many are just too blind to see it.
Edit: Lol @ Australia. Wasn't a lot of the population forced to go there? because they were criminals?
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It's funny because truthfully, Filipinos would top that list. PINOY PRIDE!! AKO PINOY HEHE ^^
/not a pinoy
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If your parents are people you have no reason to be proud of, or even dislike, you would not be proud simply by the virtue of them being your parents. Right?
Exactly my point.
There are parts of London and England I love because I have experienced them, enjoyed them and grown to love them. My parents have given me reason to love them. Besides, this doesn't make me "proud" of being from London or from England.
You shouldn't love a country because you were born there, or for without reason.
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Yeah, I was pretty surprised with that also.
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Do you take pride in a parent who treated you like crap?
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Bit of a development of what I said, isn't it?
It's fine to join in, though.
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Patriotism is like school spirit, it's fine when you're younger, but you should really grow out of that nonsense.
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Well, I for my part find it funny how much people interpret these numbers and jump to conclusions.
Obviousely all those irrelevant irational questions do get the same answers everywhere. They don't make sense to anyone all around the globe no matter where and don't influence the result.
Now I would be suprised that those questions would be asked at all.
Doesn't look like it as the spread is strongly illustrative of the inqureries result in numbers...
Now that should be obvious to anyone, but apparently, what I see in this thread are oddly confused arguments about things that those polls do have nothing to do with.
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I would expect to see lower numbers for the US.
America is fuking us all in the a55 and most people are just gay full of pride.
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So you're basically saying it's a stupid test and no one bothered to bring it up because we're too busy arguing against Norrin Radd who is playing devil's advocate to all opinions non-Norrin Radd in origin. And that our long pointless debate with Norrin Radd is irrational and irrelevant. And no one understands what the hell they're talking about. But we're successfully derailing the whole point of this thread. Which is to admire a copy-pasta graph with copy-pasta text about nationalidad. Bueno.
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I'm not playing Devil's advocate either. I totally believe and agree with what I'm saying.
You can only play Devil's advocate by arguing an opposing stance to the one you agree with for the sake of arguing.
If you're gonna accuse me of things, make them accurate, yo.
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The original colonies (not including natives) we're criminals and jailers, their families, councilors of some sort (to run the show) and families to I would think, since then Australia has had massive intakes of immigrants from various countries, England, Ireland, Italy, Malta, Greece, Vietnam, India just to name a few, we don't all get along at times, but I do pride myself on the freedom in my country and my little piece of it that I own, that piece of land has changed who I am and I have changed it as well, the same applies to my ancestors who have lived here, died here and even at times died for here.
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I didn't say anything about the test at all.
It's kinda odd how out of balance with reality such discussions can become.
When you spend 50% of your income on an institution you are deeply enough involved in it to be entiteled to an opinion.
Now there are people who aren't seeming to be scolars of Budah themself, that just wait to jump on any word that has an emotional color, to call it irrational.
If I would say that I like the quality of the meat I get from the local farmers and I paid them about 30% of their income out of pure support of the institution, leaving out the price of their produce I consume, I would be not one bit smarter or dumber when I were not proud of that at all.
However I would not prefere a live that is mainly about contributing things that I don't care about, or that suck.
This is what the poll might as well tell anyone.
Some people plain and simple do not know how to live. It apears they struggle hard with the fact, but it doesn't entitle to a sentiment of spite.
Also People who don't care are not having anything important to say beyond that fact in after all.
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