10 year old does not do the pledge of allegiance.

[Sparks Kincade]

Just some food for thought.

Man, I wish those slaves never raised a fuss about wanting to be treated like people.


Marriage in the United States is not just a religious union. We give tax breaks to married couples, spouses have visitation rights in Hospitals, the list goes on.

There are still parts of this country where being openly gay in public at night can get you beaten or killed.

You can disagree with Homosexuality all you want, but you shouldn't be able to stop them from living life like a human being.

[IronyTaken]

Disagreeing with homosexuality isn't the issue.

Banning something such as gay marriage and gay adoption is what's wrong. Dislike those things all you want, but to oppress someone because they choose to have sexual intercourse with other males is abominable.

Yah I never understood why they ban gays from marriage. Marriage was originally a contract between two households. Marriage had very little to nothing to do with religion back then (2500 BC).

Also marriage between same sex was common and was practised up until the Council of Nicaea.

So there was a time when marriage between the same sex was allowed.

[SnOwBunZz]

They should ban homophobic people from marriage instead of gay people themselves.

[Phoix]

While he does have the right not to stand, the school has the right to punish him. It was decided by a court case that a school is essentially a parent, and may act as a parent would. You basically lose all rights until you leave school property.

[Oisterman]

to that kid IMO.

Took me 'till middle school to find out my entire country is built on lies.

[MerkaMerka]

Oh no. who will do the pledge of allegiance now!

Also lol gaywad. Personally he's still a kid so he shouldn't ruin his fun AS a kid to bring a point. Because most chances is no one will ever really listen.

[Jin-Roh]

Because most chances is no one will ever really listen.

True, because we are too busy reading it online.

~Roh

[mazul]

I'm rather uneducated on the subject, but what about polygamy? (Devil's advocate here, I am not promoting polygamy in any way, obviously)

Isn't that similar to the gay situation? It's a lifestyle that some people would rather live, and yet the USA bans a man from having multiple wives.

I bet half of those "I couldn't care less what people do in the bedroom" people, who support gay rights, would scoff at the idea of polygamy. And yet, while they feel that the USA oppressing a certain set of people is wrong, they go ahead and do the same to bigamy.

Oh, and sorry if this is off-topic. I'm just curious.

Exactly the problem with this whole gay marriage situation. Where do we draw the line? It smells like populism.

[DarkAztaroth]

Exactly the problem with this whole gay marriage situation. Where do we draw the line? It smells like populism.

Well polygamy doesn't work too well with the current marriage system, if you have many wives, how to we share the money when you divorce ? How will their marriage bank account work ? But this problem isn't there with gay marriage since it's only one person :S Also, how come you can marry a perfect stranger of the opposite sex, but not someone of the same sex you've been with for, let's say, 10 years? :S

There's no LOGICAL reason not to allow gay marriage.

[Nogardreyals]

Glad to see the youth standing up for something, even if the rest of his class doesn't.

Homophobia and Bigotry need to be combated as often as possible

IF men are gay, more girls for us. I see this as a good thing

[IronyTaken]

They have the pledge drilled into me when I was in elementary school and Jr. high.

It's been almost 15 years since I said that pledge and I still remember it.

[mazul]

stupid kid.

stop making such a fuss about it.

hes probably going to become a lawyer and get sucked up into the very worst of the institution which he stands against and will probably end up working for some asshole rich banker sueing a 21 year old $20,000 a year secretary for not putting out in the office.

"america is bad and stuff im making a stand" boo hoo, keep spitting in the ocean, maybe itll make a difference.


PS: i support gay rights.

Do idealistic and "pure" lawyers whose leading star is to create justice and reveal the truth ever become successful? Or are they all perverted by the system before they reach any success? I am cynical so I am anticipating the latter case.

[IronyTaken]

And that's why it's such a comical situation: They only like to draw the lines when it suits their needs. I in no way shape and form advocate polygamy, but the same people who want to make homosexual marriage legal are as was stated, most likely against polygamy. Why is taking more than one wife wrong? They seem to fight so hard for the freedoms of others, why stop there? Let's give everyone every freedom.

And @Norrin: Where did I state in my first post that this had anything to do with rights? You just jumped to that conclusion. I was merely talking about the pledge and the right of others to not agree with homosexuality. That doesn't necessarily have to have anything to do with any rights. Someone can be fully against an idea and that's that.

I still find it amusing how the opinion, in a free country I might add, of others is deemed wrong when it doesn't match mainstream belief.

Well like it's been said polygamy has many problems with being added in.

But the difference between gay marriage and polygamy is that if polygamy is not allowed and you want to marry another person you can just divorce the first one. If gay marriage is not allowed and you want to marry a person of the same sex you will never get the chance.

Marriage deals a lot with economic issues. Polygamy cannot fit well nor would having people marry other species of animals, because the animal is not a citizen and does not have the conscious awareness to know what the hell is going on.

The reason we are okay with marriage between a man and a woman is that it fits into our system and most people agree with it.

Gay marriage can still fit into the system, but a lot of people disagree with it.


There have been no studies that show allowing gay marriage harms a society at all. I am sure everyone here is too young to have experienced it, but there were times when interracial marriage was banned too.

[V-Opolis]

the kids 10, his parents are probably just crazy hippy democrats, and hes following what they told him to do, not do the pledge.

[$$$]

stupid kid.

stop making such a fuss about it.

hes probably going to become a lawyer and get sucked up into the very worst of the institution which he stands against and will probably end up working for some asshole rich banker sueing a 21 year old $20,000 a year secretary for not putting out in the office.

"america is bad and stuff im making a stand" boo hoo, keep spitting in the ocean, maybe itll make a difference.


PS: i support gay rights.

Exactly, that's why I hate all these "America is brainwashing kids and the government is corrupt" type things. If you really do believe that, then stop *****ing and do something about it. And if you're not going to do something about it, then stop *****ing and go with it.

[Veron]

With alll due respect, sir, everything's wrong with being a hypocrite.

It's one of the worst things a regular, normal human can be.

Why because the way you think conflicts? Hyprocristy is just people who try to draw a "line" for themselves and what they see fit and everyone can do it too, wether it oppresses people or not

[Norrin Radd]

Why because the way you think conflicts? Hyprocristy is just people who try to draw a "line" for themselves and what they see fit and everyone can do it too, wether it oppresses people or not

No, it's saying your beliefs fit with one thing while going against another.

You are free to BE a hypocrite, of course, it's just very bad.

For example, saying you're not racist and then not hiring a man because he's black. That's hypocritical and many would agree that it's bad.

[IronyTaken]

why cant people marry an animal if they love them? why force your screwed up opinion on others? just wrong. and i could argue that most humans arnt even smart enought to get married when they do it, so not a valid point

Can that animal show consent in the marriage? Can it say "I do"?

Marriage is a human thing because we are self aware creatures able to contemplate things like marriage. Other animals cannot do that.

Although I agree with Norrin. I think marriage is not needed at all, but if you are going to have it you should give the ability for every human to use it. If you want polygamy then go ahead but make sure that the system can fit it in well.

[hobosexual]

Way to completely side step the question there.

I want to know why you believe that the right for someone to have multiple wives or to marry an animal should not exist. Tell me why.

How many times am I going to have to explain it in this thread?

1. I never said anything about the multiple wives thing but if they are all consenting adults then why not?

2. Because animals aren't consenting adults because they can't be because they are stupid animals for christ's sake.

[Str1der]

The animal doesn't want to marry you.

It can't want to marry you.

It's like saying "I want to marry that girl that works in the coffee shop but she doesn't like me, she is infringing upon my civil liberties!"

When animals start speaking and demonstrating self awareness then we can come back and debate the beastiality issue but until then lets stay on topic.

We're not talking about the animal though. We're talking about the rights of a human being. You just won't accept the fact that you're taking away the rights of some guy that likes to have a little fun with his doggy. Who says the dog doesn't absolutely enjoy it?

Just admit you don't agree with beastiality and that it should be illegal. It'd save you so much more time and hassle.

[BadpcGuy]

Ok you want to marry an animal but are taking in consideration of how the animal feels. You wouldn't know because we don't know how animals feel. What if it doesn't want to marry and doesn't know how to express it.

[hobosexual]

We're not talking about the animal though. We're talking about the rights of a human being. You just won't accept the fact that you're taking away the rights of some guy that likes to have a little fun with his doggy. Who says the dog doesn't absolutely enjoy it?

Just admit you don't agree with beastiality and that it should be illegal. It'd save you so much more time and hassle.

Ok fine, but this still doesn't have anything to do with gay marriage at all.

[V-Opolis]

Ok fine, but this still doesn't have anything to do with gay marriage at all.

it has everything to do with it. your just of another stand point so you dont see it.

[hobosexual]

Ok now it's someone elses turn to do some explaining because I'm getting tired of arguing.

3 good reasons why same sex couples shouldn't be able to get married.

Ready. Set. Go.

[IronyTaken]

We're not talking about the animal though. We're talking about the rights of a human being. You just won't accept the fact that you're taking away the rights of some guy that likes to have a little fun with his doggy. Who says the dog doesn't absolutely enjoy it?

Just admit you don't agree with beastiality and that it should be illegal. It'd save you so much more time and hassle.

If the animal can show it's consent in marriage and can show that it's able to contemplate what marriage is then go right ahead.

But the animal also has to be able to show when it's not consent with marriage. And it would have to follow the same legal system so when it leaves you it gets half of your assets.