tell me onrpg, what can't you buy with money?

[Cloud13]

Well, to be fair, Eriond stated something morally and you made a correction. You said there is no moral dilemma, implying that killing was, by fact, morally wrong.

Technically, he said "killing for money." Which has a better argument going for it.

[Cloud13]

There isn't any argument for morals being objective, though. This is because they simply aren't.

Circular reasoning, yo.

[hobolord]

Get money, get paid

[Paladuck]

Actually norrin is completely right here, and he is not commiting the fallacy of circular reasoning.
One does not need to argue why morals are subjective, because they are so by definition. It would be like demanding that I argue why the colour green is in fact green.

Morals as an objective fact is a fallacy by definition.
Morals are a matter of value. Value is by definition subjective. To speak of objective value, is just as nonsensical as speaking of circular squares, or non-human humans etc.

In fact, morality itself is nonsensical, because a moral statement cannot be made without committing the "deriving ought from is" logical fallacy by default. In the end, any moral stance is reducable to a matter of subjective value statements.
Just listen to the sentence "It is wrong/right to...". It is subjective from its first premise.

Even in a specific conditional context, such as "If person A desire X, he/she should do Y", which is the only way to render such a claim objective(given that there are no other alternative ways of aquiring X), you still cannot argue why anyone should desire X to begin with without again committing the "ought from is" fallacy.

If you argue that morals are objective, you might as well try to argue that chocolate is objectively better than strawberry. Good luck, and good day.

I'm going to disagree with you on those points, half because I like debates and half because I think the "objectivity" argument has some merit to it.

If you argue that the color green is green, that's still circular reasoning. The fact that there is no principled way to argue that a color is a color doesn't make it any less circular. Similarly, there is no principled way to argue that morals are subjective and objective, and any attempt to do so would likely be circular.

I would say that morals, by definition, are neither objective nor subjective. A set of morals is a code of conduct that dictates the proper and right way to do things. It has little to do with subjectivity and objectivity. If you said "killing for sport is immoral," a subjective moralist would say that it is a matter of opinion, and the fact that not everyone agrees with it proves that morality is subjective. An objective moralist would say that the statement is either right or wrong.

You say that any moral stance can be reduced to a subjective opinion. I would agree with you, and I'm pretty sure I've argued with Norrin about this point, but that argument is not necessarily limited to morals - its essentially the argument that everything in this world, even supposedly objective fact, can be reduced to a subjective opinion.

[Cookiez]

You can't buy extinct animals back to life.

And don't give me that "oh well you can clone them" shit, because if it could be done it would have by now >

Well, maybe we don't have the technological advancement to do that?

[Starkler]

Turning yourself back to a baby.
Buy THAT.

[Paladuck]

Correction, nobody will read it except for Norrin, hian, and Eriond

[$$$]

holy tl;dr

[Wicked315]

I can't buy Bryan's love. He never looks at me when we are in the bed, he usually just finishes and then turns on the Channel 13 news. I try to cuddle, he is always pushing me away, I seriously do not know what to do anymore, I bought him a diamond necklace, he took it and gave it to somebody else, he claims he lost it, but I know he gave it away, I was talking to TheSkald and he said he saw him with Xenonight2. I just am conflicted and have no other options.

[Neil]

Help.

I need somebody.

Help.

Not just anybody.

Help.

You know I need someone.

Oooohh---ooohhh...

When I was younger, so much younger than today

I never needed anybody's help in any way.

[minajkl]

you can't buy a logical explanation for the words in this song

6 little eggs on the run they f*ck each other three goes boom dubi dom watch out be safe so 3 little eggs had sex 1 win and 2 explode goes boom dubi dom watch out be safe so 2 little eggs in the sun one sleep too long goes boom boom boom dubi dom the story ends with 1 little egg was blind make suicide with pen bomb boom dubi dom another story come