is god real?

[vergilx99]

I don't think god is real they have no proof or seen god person like create the earth. Not sure if jesus has some magical powers that suddenly make the whole world. Earth was made in 10–20 million years ago probaly before jesus was born. Bible looks fake tellings lies

[IronyTaken]

I am surprised this thread hasn't even started a flame.

[Dreakon]

I am surprised this thread hasn't even started a flame.

Perhaps the world is getting more open-minded and accepting of others beliefs?




... Nah...

[Cloud13]

There is no evidence to suggest that there is a god, therefore no reason to believe in a god.

I would disagree with that. I think there are many things that could be used, maybe not as "evidence," but as support for the existence of God.

I am surprised this thread hasn't even started a flame.

Indeed. I'm so proud.

[pencap]

Perhaps the world is getting more open-minded and accepting of others beliefs?




... Nah...

all i gota say is HAH AHAHAHA HA. world getting more open minded? and accepting of others beliefs?



*PS* back on topic, also have to remember. have you ever played that game in school when you were a kid in like the 2nd grade, where you sit in a circle and whisper something in the person setting beside yous ear? and it goes around and comes back and you have to say it outloud? the bible is passed threw generations kinda the same way... so therefore would the story be presented today as it was minuets after it was first written? maybe... but also...maybe not...

[Cloud13]

Valid point, though if you consider the Bible to be the Holy Word, people would take replication very seriously and avoid errors. Plus, Telephone is an audio memorization game; transcribing stuff is much more detailed and careful.

Then again, there are many different translations of the Bible, and disagreements over which books should be in it. *shrug*

[vergilx99]

Bible doesn't make sense I don't think that jesus created us humans. Us people are like from the great ape family what read on the internet. All those stories at church thier telling is untrue and not real. Well maybe some of its true but not the part how they say Jesus made the moon and the sun.

[pencap]

Valid point, though if you consider the Bible to be the Holy Word, people would take replication very seriously and avoid errors. Plus, Telephone is an audio memorization game; transcribing stuff is much more detailed and careful.

Then again, there are many different translations of the Bible, and disagreements over which books should be in it. *shrug*

also theres people out there that get a warm tingly feeling ****in shit up... dunno if im alloud to say fuccin sh!t up. but i think thoes are appropriate words for it... or they didnt come to the same conclusion as whomever wrote the bible and simply re worded it and did what they please with it and passed it on. I DONT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, its all my ideas/speculations. just think if someone like hitler was back in them days, and im sure there was.... would he not have different beliefs and have the power to rewrite it? might not teach his next generation about his new beliefs but what about the next next? or so on in so forth.

[shadowsworn]

I do believe that there are a lot of things in the world that we don't understand, though. I hesitate to call them "supernatural" because that seems to imply that they're unknowable.

As far as I'm concerned, as I said in my first post, the decision about whether or not to believe in a god is a choice. If you believe one way or the other, no amount of arguing is going to change yr opinion, because there's no definite yes or no answer on the subject. Personally, I have never felt any hint of anything being there when I tried to pray (I was brought up a Roman Catholic fyi, Italian/Irish background).

I get much more of a feeling of the sublime when I'm out walking in the woods tbh, even if I don't like bugs and other creepy-crawlies and I'd rather not go into bear country lol.

[JacketJam]

I don't know about your God, but I know that the Flying Spaghetti Monster is as real as you and me.

May you all be embraced in His Noodly Appendage!

:3

[Zaadis]

I'm not touching this topic with a ten foot pole, way to much could go wrong with peoples opinions on this topic.

[Str1der]

all i gota say is HAH AHAHAHA HA. world getting more open minded? and accepting of others beliefs?



*PS* back on topic, also have to remember. have you ever played that game in school when you were a kid in like the 2nd grade, where you sit in a circle and whisper something in the person setting beside yous ear? and it goes around and comes back and you have to say it outloud? the bible is passed threw generations kinda the same way... so therefore would the story be presented today as it was minuets after it was first written? maybe... but also...maybe not...

I'd advise you to read up on the Dead Sea Scrolls. It supports the consistency of the Bible over the ages. Believe the Bible or don't, the book has still remained the same over time.

And yes, I personally believe that God does exist.

[pencap]

I'd advise you to read up on the Dead Sea Scrolls. It supports the consistency of the Bible over the ages. Believe the Bible or don't, the book has still remained the same over time.

And yes, I personally believe that God does exist.

well thanks for shining light on something that was dark to me. i never heard of dead sea scrolls. well have to look them up later.

[Eladon]

No.

That is all i would like to add.

[Pok]

And Moses wrote the bible right?

Uh, yea, forgot that there are those morons who believe that for the sake of finding the idea funny.

It seemed to me that oister was implying that the guy who saw the burning bush was Jesus. I don't think that either jesus or moses wrote the bible, I think it's much more likely that both of them are fictional, or (very) loosely based on real people.

I would disagree with that. I think there are many things that could be used, maybe not as "evidence," but as support for the existence of God.

Like what?

[EpicPhail]

In my opinion, no.

I believe in some princaples, like Karma but in a more abstract sense.

If you submit negative energy into ANYTHING that energy will never disipate. It creates a negative feed back loop of negative energy, witch may or may not harm you or someone you know in the future.

I believe good comes onto those who do good, but not because of some crazy god.

[shadowsworn]

@ pencap

*starts crying at the thought that someone might disagree ever-so-slightly with him and accidentally puts out the burning bush*

[IronyTaken]

I'd advise you to read up on the Dead Sea Scrolls. It supports the consistency of the Bible over the ages. Believe the Bible or don't, the book has still remained the same over time.

And yes, I personally believe that God does exist.

I believe you need this.



Also just so you know the bible has had so many revisions throughout time.
And the King James version "which seems to be the most popular" is the worst version.

If you are arguing from a historical point of view then yes some of the things that happened in the bible had similarities.
But it is not a very good reference to use for historical events especially the more exaggerated claims.


When you have the words "consistent" and "bible" in the same sentence it makes me think you never read the bible.
Or that you only read bits and pieces and ignore everything else.

[pencap]

@ pencap

*starts crying at the thought that someone might disagree ever-so-slightly with him and accidentally puts out the burning bush*

dont quite understand what your gettin at. im stuck between it being sarcastic/serious, but i think u sayin somethin about putin out some erb. welp. i dont believe that will occur.... but if somehow your being disrespectful. well ill just wait till i get your clarification before i go any further

I believe you need this.



Also just so you know the bible has had so many revisions throughout time. throughout time, think about that. thats a long long long time. alot COULD change in that long span of time.
And the King James version "which seems to be the most popular" is the worst version.

If you are arguing from a historical point of view then yes some of the things that happened in the bible had similarities.
But it is not a very good reference to use for historical events especially the more exaggerated claims.


When you have the words "consistent" and "bible" in the same sentence it makes me think you never read the bible.
Or that you only read bits and pieces and ignore everything else.

simply implying i guess, that what i think is. if you think in that long span of time nothing or little to nothing has changed. i do believe you only have your mind cracked open to certain things. to where i believe mine is more open to them.

irony im just implying part of your statement and using it as an example to further my opinion. im not against what you said in any way.

[Pok]

Jesus is recorded in historical documents, so to say he's fictional is incorrect. It's whether he was who he said he was that's up for debate.

I am absolutely unaware of him being mentioned in anything non-scripture related. Links?

[IronyTaken]

I have read the Bible. And I didn't have to watch your silly excuse of a video past the first question to realize that it's a waste of time and is wrong. The first question asks if Yahweh's anger lasts forever and answers the question by merely quoting two very different verses completely out-of-context. The two verses at hand are:

Micah 7:18 - "Where is another God like you, who pardons the sins of the survivors among his people? You cannot stay angry with your people forever, because you delight in showing mercy."

and

Jeremiah 17:4 - "The wonderful inheritance I have reserved for you will slip out of your hands, and I will send you away as captives to a foreign land. For you have kindled my anger into a roaring fire that will burn forever."

God's love and mercy is a gift for His people. Those who choose not to take it.. well, that's their business. The verse from Micah 7:18 is referring specifically to God's ability to forgive and to show mercy towards His people. The verse from Jeremiah 17:4 is a reference to the future destruction of Israel and the enslavement of its people due to their turning away from God. It's a reference to punishment and anger directed at a sin, whereas the first verse is talking about forgiving and being merciful towards a person. Two completely different things.

Doesn't matter if it is for two different things. Why can't he forgive the people who turn away from him?
So one verse shows that his anger can last forever
Do you agree with that point of view that god directed at those who turned away from him?
The question in the video was if God's anger could last forever and one verse says it can and another says he forgives. So both can be correct.

It's too bad you didn't get to the later parts of the video....


Also I hope you are not using the King James version which is one of the least credible.


If you want a very educated person on the bible who used to be religious then this guy is great for that.
Too bad his old stuff was lost.

[Ronin]

Jesus is recorded in historical documents, so to say he's fictional is incorrect. It's whether he was who he said he was that's up for debate.

Well, it's true, by all standards that while the bible is one total lie, there are some historians who did say correct stuff.

However when even mainstream historians come up with seamonsters, Atlantis and other crap, while that is still more credible than the bible, who would trust some obscure dude that probably no one has ever heard about and that left us like a forth of a ripped up page with some 15 words on it, which we don't know first hand, but by the reiteration of some medieval monk?

@Str1der:
"God" is merciful against people who don't sin, but against people who sin, his anger will last forever?
Well, that's BS.

[EpicPhail]

If god only created earth as a living planet, and god created us with intentions of us being the "supremes" species of the galaxy, how come we pretty much know there's been life on other planets ? We've basically concluded there is other life in the galaxy, so I'm curious..


Do people who whole heartedly trust religion deny all facts ? Or do they simply just "Ignore" certain(Broad ideas..) in the bible ?

Also the credibility of our "God" is extremely hard to believe.

So If I'm a perfect person.. I help, I donate to charities etc.. But I don't believe in god he won't "forgive me" for..Punching someone or hurting someone one time..

But if a mass murderer sins..And believes in god he's "Forgiven" ? My ****ing *** man. That's not a credible god, that's a "God" who wants to be liked. Period.

[Cloud13]

If god only created earth as a living planet, and god created us with intentions of us being the "supremes" species of the galaxy, how come we pretty much know there's been life on other planets ? We've basically concluded there is other life in the galaxy, so I'm curious..

The Bible doesn't mention anything about other planets, so it's entirely possible God made other planets with life on them.

Do people who whole heartedly trust religion deny all facts ? Or do they simply just "Ignore" certain(Broad ideas..) in the bible ?

I don't know what you're saying there.

Also the credibility of our "God" is extremely hard to believe.

So If I'm a perfect person.. I help, I donate to charities etc.. But I don't believe in god he won't "forgive me" for..Punching someone or hurting someone one time..

But if a mass murderer sins..And believes in god he's "Forgiven" ? My ****ing *** man. That's not a credible god, that's a "God" who wants to be liked. Period.

The Bible says that the only way to heaven is through Jesus and belief in him in dying for our sins. So acceptance of salvation is the biggest thing. Now some people say that works don't matter in relation to that, but I disagree. I think that to be a good person you would have to have faith and do good works. Then again, proper faith would lead you to live that kind of life (I was actually in a debate about this a few days ago, lol). In that sense, I don't think someone that's a mass murderer truly believes, though he could be forgiven.

[Ronin]

I don't think someone that's a mass murderer truly believes

How so? Where is the connection?