one common thing among these crappy f2p mmorpgs

[Dakaa]

EDIT: more than one thing actually, from my experience, f2p mmorpgs 'game' have (only F2P MMORPG, not other F2P genre)

-launcher fails patching most of the time
-annoying item shop advertisements on launcher screen
-sloppy user interface
-stupid looking login screen
-uses ugly crooked white/yellow color arial/times new roman fonts
-slow responding buttons
-laggy user interface
-limited options for tweaking video settings
-huge glowing item shop button
-chatbox filled with gold spammer
-cities are populated with afk bots
-awkward character movements/fighting actions
-low quality in-game sounds/voices
-long grinding process to reach level cap
-half-arse done environment
-lots and lots mobs bunch up together waiting for you to grind

These games are not games. They're profit schemes designed to extract as much money out of morons for as low a cost as possible before the games implode. I very seriously doubt that any of these crap F2P games are actually out to improve their product beyond what it would take to earn them a little extra dough.

Don't forget that this is a bussiness, they don't make games for charity, if people wants good quality games the first thing they have to do is stop giving them money for bad quality games, as easy as that. If they keep getting money...why change?

Obviously, as someone on this thread has stated...F2P are made for pure bussiness to attract new mmorpg players (99% of old mmorpg players unninstall a F2P within an hour), companies that release F2P games publish like 3 mmorpgs per year...you clearly can't expect anything good comming out from there, tho i'm not saying P2P don't go the same route...but they are not such a greedy bastards. They pay like 10-50k dollars to publish rubish games that are already dead in korea just to profit here for a couple of months and then trash it...companies like PWI, Aeria, Ijji, Gpotato...etc. If they really wanted to publish a good game they wouldn't release games that have been out in Asia for half decade...why they don't do it? The answer is simple...with the money they would spend getting a fresh made mmorpg they can get the rights to publish 10 crappy mmorpgs that will give them the same benefits and less work...so why bother?

Every time I play a Korean mmo, more often than not I think ... why the hell does this game even exist? There are (literally) 100+ exactly like it.

I mean honestly.. most game developers have an idea or a vision before they create a game. They sit down and think about what they want. Example; For a game like DCUO the conversation was probably something like ''Hey lets make an action based mmo based on the DCU!'' and they did it.

For one of these crappy Korean grindy games.. the conversation was probably something like ''hey! Lets make a game that's online.... and has no content, and is extremely grindy..that would be great!'' ''We should also make it extremely cash shop dependent and we will NEVEr listen to our players on what they want...after all, our goal is to be as crappy as can be!''

The names of them annoy me the most tbh, golden dragon forsaken forbidden ancient legend of empire war then they add online and sometimes a 2 to make it sound special when really it's just 2.0 patch...

i aggree with you. Its not hard to think about a new name for a mmorpg.
Just add "Online" and its rdy ^^

see the similarities? see the problem?

Bravo!

Excelent topic. This deserve to be pinned untill everyone on the ONRPG have a chance to read this and start to demand better games, voting with their money, hopefully affecting the future of the game industry.

Enlightment for all.

[matiasdk]

one common thing among idiots :

they all create useless threads

[Dakaa]

one common thing among idiots :

they all create useless threads

>_>

10char

[frannecice_311]

one common thing among idiots :

they all create useless threads

Awts, don't be so rude.

[Kyoteki]

Guessing Iris Online didn't work out too well

[ArcDevil]

and ur just talking bullshit, kthnxbye oh wait and please dont play asian games kthnxgtfo

sorry if Im dissing the only games you can afford, you underaged moron, but they are pure crap. cry me a river , I can afford decent games. eiab

[Siigari]

I know what the OP means though, so many games look terrible because they use some crappy default system font.

A little polish goes a long way.

[darkness35]

one common thing among these crappy f2p mmorpgs is that they all are pure crap.

please azns stop feeding us your bullshit, kthnxbye

To each his or her own opinions. Now please, don't get me started on P2P MMOs, since they aren't even perfect either.

[Orpheus]

I see that mostly in 3D generic games. Not so much in 2D/sidescrollers, most of them actually have a nice UI.

[Dakaa]

I see that mostly in 3D generic games. Not so much in 2D/sidescrollers, most of them actually have a nice UI.

yeah true, f2p side scrolling mmo have nice ui, but not f2p 3D mmorpgs, such as knight online, aika global, very sloppy ui.

[Paladuck]

These games are not games. They're profit schemes designed to extract as much money out of morons for as low a cost as possible before the games implode. I very seriously doubt that any of these crap F2P games are actually out to improve their product beyond what it would take to earn them a little extra dough.

[kikikool]

one thing in common among all mmorpgs:
They are just GAMES. If you enjoy them, play them. If you don't, **** off and find something else to play. Obviously some people enjoy playing the f2p ones because they wouldn't be making them otherwise. If the p2p games you play are so good then why are spending your time trolling about the f2p ones? Go play the games you like and leave others to play the games they like, either way we're all just wasting time staring at some pixels on a screen.

[Kashis]

Hopefully the new wave of the more action oriented games coming out will be a wave of relief because it's about time for something new.

[Anrick]

Maybe its our age, 5 years ago I tought Mu Online was the best game ever and I was going to be playing it until I was 50 years old.

Now I can't handle staring at Fantasy MMORPGS anymore....

[Adamaris]

I was going to say it's people's unrealistic standards in regards to stuff they get for free.

They can't be really called free, for free you pretty much play like a demo...if you wanna enjoy any F2P you actually have to throw in there way more than what you spend on a P2P, either that or you spend your daily life on them...which is worse.

Obviously, as someone on this thread has stated...F2P are made for pure bussiness to attract new mmorpg players (99% of old mmorpg players unninstall a F2P within an hour), companies that release F2P games publish like 3 mmorpgs per year...you clearly can't expect anything good comming out from there, tho i'm not saying P2P don't go the same route...but they are not such a greedy bastards. They pay like 10-50k dollars to publish rubish games that are already dead in korea just to profit here for a couple of months and then trash it...companies like PWI, Aeria, Ijji, Gpotato...etc. If they really wanted to publish a good game they wouldn't release games that have been out in Asia for half decade...why they don't do it? The answer is simple...with the money they would spend getting a fresh made mmorpg they can get the rights to publish 10 crappy mmorpgs that will give them the same benefits and less work...so why bother?

P2P mmorpgs have their own issues, but they are a thousand times ahead of F2P quality wise, but obviously not all of them can be good.

I can't really remember a F2P that i've played for more than a month...but i do remember P2P games i've played for more than 6 months...but i guess as more games you try out...more quality you want in your next game...F2P are to catch people new into mmorpgs...and that kind of people will just play anything as they don't have something better to compare.

[Adamaris]

So true, it amazes me how much people think they are justified in complaining about something they don't pay for.

Actually...someone is paying for it...otherwise there wouldn't be such thing called F2P...and regardless of the 50% playerbase that won't spend a single cent, the rest do spend at least 5$/month and some players get to spend thousands.

Don't let the F2P term fool you...they make more money than most of the P2P.

F2P reminds me of private servers...while there are a few that actually want the game to be good (with no donations for items) 90% do it just to get money not caring about their customers at all. As long as there are morons that keep paying for such services there will be such things, it's customers fault. If you pay for a big piece of crap the result is you will get crap until no one buys it anymore...

Don't forget that this is a bussiness, they don't make games for charity, if people wants good quality games the first thing they have to do is stop giving them money for bad quality games, as easy as that. If they keep getting money...why change?

[Adamaris]

How can you say
But then go on to contradict yourself by saying

I don't see where i contradict myself...i said it's people's fault for paying for crap quality stuff and poor services, just like if in real life you were paying for bad quality food but you still buy it. It's obviously company's fault, but not more than people's for still supporting them. If people didn't buy their product they would be forced to change...if they keep getting money they'll never change. I said 90% make it to get money, the 10% left have lower quality and don't survive the hype...in result...they banish.

Ok so you want a high quality game, but don't want stuff that makes people want to spend money despite them being a business not a charity?

I never mentioned F2P shouldn't have cash shop, but there are ways of making a reasonable cash shop or premium services, look at LOTRO for example, there is no need to make stupid stuff like being able to overenchant gear to a rate that only people who invest hundreds/thousands of dollars will get it, look at Rohan for example...they sold pretty much GM like weapons for 210$ directly from cash shop...really the best way to handle a cash shop...right?

Not all F2P have shitty cash shop that unbalances the game, unfortunately popular F2P's do have shitty CS.

This is a perfect example of what i was talking about. Also people generally do have ridiculously high standards for most free mmorpgs.

Sure some free mmorpgs make more then a few un sucessful p2p mmorpgs, but no free mmorpg makes as much money as the most popular p2p mmorpgs( world of warcraft, guild wars,etc) and the reason for that is because games like WoW had the financial backing to make a great quality game, something which free mmorpgs generally lack.

You can't compare WoW, the king of P2P's at moneymaking to anything ever, of course no game will beat 10 million subscribers, but if you look at Perfect World Entertainment for example you would know that they do more money per year than the majority of P2P companies...if not all...and just by releasing crappy F2P's.

Btw GW is not a mmorpg, is B2P and it didn't make that much money...

[Thetake]

Every time I play a Korean mmo, more often than not I think ... why the hell does this game even exist? There are (literally) 100+ exactly like it.

I mean honestly.. most game developers have an idea or a vision before they create a game. They sit down and think about what they want. Example; For a game like DCUO the conversation was probably something like ''Hey lets make an action based mmo based on the DCU!'' and they did it.

For one of these crappy Korean grindy games.. the conversation was probably something like ''hey! Lets make a game that's online.... and has no content, and is extremely grindy..that would be great!'' ''We should also make it extremely cash shop dependent and we will NEVEr listen to our players on what they want...after all, our goal is to be as crappy as can be!''

[supe]

Its Fuuucking free, i dont get why you guys have the right to complain.

[olaph]

Its Fuuucking free, i dont get why you guys have the right to complain.

Already been raised

[kbe2k6]

For one of these crappy Korean grindy games.. the conversation was probably something like ''hey! Lets make a game that's online.... and has no content, and is extremely grindy..that would be great!'' ''We should also make it extremely cash shop dependent and we will NEVEr listen to our players on what they want...after all, our goal is to be as crappy as can be!''

Pretty much though their goal is probably to make as much profit as they can with the least amount effort/cost to them as possible.... Hell I'd do it too. I'd make a pile of generic MMOs sell the licenses to NA publishers and then charge them extra for updates, which will basically be bug fixes and basic content the game should of came with.

[Merumeru]

XD my biggest MMO peeve is USER SHOPS XP wtf, i cant stand going through the main city to lag like f@#king hell, and then spending an hour trying to find s@#$ i want if I actually want something; AUCTION HOUSE/BROKER IS A F@#KING NECESSITY.

[makiii]

f2p mmorpgs are nothing more than big Trials. You play till a certain point and deceide if u want to continue and pay or stop. They continue with that sheme, because they are trying to catch the big fishes, who spend 2-3k each year. You arent supposed to compete with a cs-User. All other non-cs users are just fillers. Thats the good thing about f2p games, they have a huge community, because everyone can access the game.
Grind was made to keep players playing and catch the addicted ones to squezze as much money as possible.
Back in the days, mmorpgs were about grouping, having fun with different ppl. Grind had a different meaning. Nowdays, we have many game- jumpers.
The reason is that those ppl play always alone and always try to compete with the cs-users. They try to fill something, thats missing in real life. But we know its not possible.
The developers know about those sad, addicted players. Thats the fish they try to catch.

[Adamaris]

Don't get me started on all the focus towards graphics instead of of gameplay lol.
A perfect example of a good quality game with a good cash shop would be League of Legends.

I'm one of the very few that prolly wants quality over graphics, tho there is a limit...as long as the graphics are not squares...^^
LoL is not a mmorpg, it's a mmo...we could say MMOFPS also have (some of them) good gameplay and cash shop...the point is we are talking about mmorpgs.

I'm waiting for Tera not for the graphics, but for the combat system that Chronicle of Spellborn has failed to implement, but obviously its graphics make it more appealing.
When i refer to the new generation of mmorpgs is about their innovative stuff, not graphics wise...we can pretty much say we have been playing the same kind of mmorpg (except a few who really tried to make something different...like EVE) with a few tweaks for over 15 years...

[hunt5001]

Actually...someone is paying for it...otherwise there wouldn't be such thing called F2P...and regardless of the 50% playerbase that won't spend a single cent, the rest do spend at least 5$/month and some players get to spend thousands.

Don't let the F2P term fool you...they make more money than most of the P2P.

F2P reminds me of private servers...while there are a few that actually want the game to be good (with no donations for items) 90% do it just to get money not caring about their customers at all. As long as there are morons that keep paying for such services there will be such things, it's customers fault. If you pay for a big piece of crap the result is you will get crap until no one buys it anymore...

Don't forget that this is a bussiness, they don't make games for charity, if people wants good quality games the first thing they have to do is stop giving them money for bad quality games, as easy as that. If they keep getting money...why change?

But that does not give YOU(not specifically you) a right to complain when you leech off the ones that do pay. The ones that are paying must have some interest in the game/care that their character is different than everyone elses. Therefore they have the right to complain if they are upset about something.