Binary Gender/Sexuality Discussion!

[Lawliet1]

Interesting.

Well lets think about the idea of parents giving their son barbies to play with instead of say transformers toys.

How much will this effect the gender identity of the son?It seems like a concept of genders relation to personality.

If every person has a personality then gender identities can be thought to reinforce their social identities,because society has a way of encouraging gender mechanics,it make it to were it's what expected of you in a general sense.

I believe core personality is unaltered by this kind of influence and that gender identity becomes a more traditional social ideology.It's especially noticeable in younger children who are more impressionable.Impressionability is what makes gender identity promotable by society.

In regards to the situation about the trans gender,you have to ask how much gender identity has to do with actual male/female genitalia.

Imagine a world where the media didn't encourage gender identities,at the very least we can reasonably assume that they would still procreate thus expressing the natural roles of males and females.

The idea of males being masculine and females being feminine are ideologies that have become social norms through the effectiveness of impressionability.But these are roles that people feel comfortable with so they seem natural enough.

[Eusnon]

Women feel and think differently from men so there is clearly a difference when it comes to stuff and I suppose that that's what sets the core of someone's em gender traits or some crap so while you may find people crossing boundaries they're just cheap imitations.

But seriously...who actually wants to be a woman : 3 IMO if transsexuals had to actually experience everything real women do then they'd prolly change their minds

[Deimos]

greater liberalism in all aspects of life from social perspectives to personal opinions IS evolution.

maybe we arent evolving biologically any more as a species but we are evolving psychologically.

tolerance and acceptance are the result of this. intolerance and fear of the unknown are relics of our primitive past. this grey area of gender will eventually resolve itself once society in general lets go of its subjective prejudices.

its only a matter of time. time will always erode any cultural beleifs/traditions.



Every generation thinks the one after it is "too loud" or "too sexual" or whatever. partly because the older generation feels threatened by the young and partly because the younger generation feels like it has something to prove against the older.

just needs time man. thats all.

[Lina]

Two things:

1. As Lawliet mentioned about gender being about personality, that's something we hear about in class.

Sex (not the act of) = your biological setup based on genitalia
Gender = part of your personality and way you identify yourself

2. TreyTrey also mentions there's no clear answer, as this is like religion and politics.
That's true, and I do admit I lean towards the idea that the binary system doesn't cover enough ground and etc etc, and also like religion and politics it would take a helluva long time to ever change.

[Civil]

Women and Men are very different. Science.

[TreyTrey12]

Women and men think completely different. Women often tend to be far more passionate than a male. This is because of the different build up of hormones. A Penis and Vagina is not the only thing that separate us.

[EpicPhail]

This is the beauty of the internet, for me at least.

When Im online talking via text, or gaming with someone I never know if they're a guy or girl. EVER, my thing is.. I never ask.

Its not their gender, but their personality that keeps me talking.

Anyone know what Im trying to say ?

[TreyTrey12]

This is the beauty of the internet, for me at least.

When Im online talking via text, or gaming with someone I never know if they're a guy or girl. EVER, my thing is.. I never ask.

Its not their gender, but their personality that keeps me talking.

Anyone know what Im trying to say ?

Thats because the internet offers the ability to be and remain anonymous. you can't really judge a person simply for the fact their actual being is a game avatar or block of text in a chat room. You will have no idea what they look like, dress like, or anything.

Though I stopped face booking people i met from games. I'd rather leave girls to the imagination..

[Raiyne]

*A transexual person (once male, now female) attempts to use a women's restroom. The women complain of a feeling of 'being *****' (emotionally and mentally, not physically) by having such a person come into their restroom.
Seeing this situation, she tries the men's room. The men describe the exact same feeling, and even threaten to chase her down or beat her up if she tries to use their restroom.

This example is about homophobia, obviously, but I somewhat ponder if this could be avoided if people were raised differently to not use gender as so deeply part of who they are, that masculinity and femininity don't have to be one or the other based on your biological build.

!!! Discussion time starts here !!!

-What do you think of the binary system? Does it work? Is it problematic?
-Any examples, stories, or arguments to share that support your view?


*This was the introduction to the Gender Studies section of my textbook, specifically referring to a chapter about homophobia.

First of all, transsexualism and transvestitism has nothing to do with homosexuality, so it's not exactly homophobia. Just something to keep in mind.

Obviously the binary system does not work, especially so in our modern world. It is problematic because obviously people of a gender don't exist in one form. It's simply sexism; "You are a man/woman, you must act a certain way." Complete total bullshit.

[Lina]

First of all, transsexualism and transvestitism has nothing to do with homosexuality, so it's not exactly homophobia. Just something to keep in mind.

Obviously the binary system does not work, especially so in our modern world. It is problematic because obviously people of a gender don't exist in one form. It's simply sexism; "You are a man/woman, you must act a certain way." Complete total bullshit.

Ah, right, not sure why I called it homophobia.
Thanks for correcting me!

Also, heterosexism is another term that can apply to this subject.
This is not heterosexual, mind you.

Heterosexual: Being sexually attracted to the opposite sex.
Heterosexim: The idea that men should only be with women and women should only be with men, that this is superior to any other sexuality.