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I say we let them kill each other over there, and we stay our asses over here. No idea why America is always playing big brother.
But I hear this is going on because of a huge reserve of oil that was found in the sea by china.
In that case
where theres oil
Theres american troops.
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Ive heard threats from these 2 countries since the exist of life, most likely it will not happend and Russia China will never ever go into a war with America and visa versa. Most likely America will pop in like they usually do and just negoiate with the countries.Originally Posted by V-Opolis
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Can someone explain why America rides Israels dick so hard to me?
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I think both sides are being assholes about it. Also both countries seem to me to be controlled by extremist racists.
The US shouldn't be supporting Israel no matter what the way they do, despite the way they treat the Palestinian people. considering that the only reason Israel still exists as a country is the support of the US, they should be able to keep them in line somehow.
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I mean, I get that the main reason that America cares is because they see Israel as being one of their only allies in "that area with all the oil", especially since Russia and China support Iran for the exact same reason, but still. shameful.
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"China will jump in to support Iran" lmao what crack pot thought up this? China is in no way shape or form a threat to the U.S or its allies our economies are way to tied together.
and Russia? What will Russia do? Throw its entire military might (oh gosh everyone its russia!) for the whole week it might actually be able to afford to? The only threat from this would be even longer prolonged U.S involvement in the middle east ultimately putting a deeper strain on the countries debt and weakening the economy even more, but i wont down play the threat Iran actually is as it does have some actually good military equipment and the religious blindness to use it even with little kids as body armor strapped to jeeps.... (don't call b.s they used children waves as a weapon against Sadam's forces when he invaded..)
lol China will jump in to support Iran for what? What actual benefit does Iran pose for China?
scorpio
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Iran is China's ally in the Middle east. the Middle East has a lot of oil, and so influence over it is vital to any major world power. China and Russia, despite having economic relations with the US, do not trust the US, and vice versa.
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Watch RT America for real news. Fox News is more in the business of promoting ultra right wing values than doing actual journalism.
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What's the news in this? This has been happening forever. Every now and then they will have a report on what is going on over there. And I'm sure you all know why America backs up Israel.
Reputation: 44
Here is 7 countries that US General Wesley Clark speaks about the US invading. Not sure if credible but his list so far seems pretty accurate although it is out of order.
On the issue of Iran, the US has been drumming up war with Iran since Iran took its country back from a leader that Britain and the US installed who privatised the Iranian oil in favor of British and US oil coporations. Iran knowing what the USA does is percieved as a threat to US since it no longer has a puppet government. This coupled with the misinterpreted speeches of President Ahmadinejad said at UN conventions at which the US mainstream media reported that he planned to "wipe Israel off the map" while in reality what he said was the zionist regime would fade away like many other regimes of its kind (something along those lines can't remember, look it up yourself) caused the alarm of Israel and the US or you could say gave them a reason for the current war drum beating.
Then we have the current development of nuclear energy in Iran which is used as an excuse for the invasion of Iran under the pretense that Iran is developing nuclear weapons even though the IAEA reports nothing and Iran has been disclosing everything and have been co-operating with the IAEA. Sounding like Iraq anyone? Yet the hipocrasy is that the US and Israel are the ones with nuclear weapons. Israel is scared because they know Iran dislikes Israel and supports the palestinian people. The US "rides Israel's dick so hard" because they have a large zionist lobby in the US which if you look back at the Iraq war had alot of influence on US foreign policy. If you speak against them you are an anti-semite.
Russia is interested in this conflict because of the supposed missle defence system being installed in europe which the US claims is to defend against Iran but if you read political analyst (google scholar is your friend) some think that the missle defence is actually aimed at Russia resembling the Bay of Pigs incident with Cuba. Theres also the alliance Iran has with Russia and China and they would want to protect their foreign assests aswell. People may think Russia and China are not a credible threat to the US war machine but if you think about it from a strategic point of view, the US has been in war for the past decade which has had major implications on its economy. Russia and China however have spent these past few decades building up their economy. Some would argue that Russia is on par with the US in terms of military might. China has more trained military personel than the US does. The US has a long supply chain if they are to fight on foreign soil while Russia and China are closer to the conflict. This isn't a conflict that is beneficial to the US unless they are completely insane or this conflict benefits someone else entirely.
In the end right now I can't see Russia and China doing anything, in the long run however they will only take so much of US aggression before they decide its enough and WW3 happens. Then we are all ****ed.
My 2 cents take it for what its worth but do your own research.
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Although Qaddafi was by no means a "good" person, he was not one to betray his country. There is a list of things that you can look up that he did for his country and you can see why the US wants him out particularly establishing the African Gold Dinar and not privatising the oil. There was actually "democracy" if you read his green book. Not sure if it was actually enforced. Qaddafi wasn't technically the leader, the people were, he was just the person who owned most of the property that we would call government owned. If you look at the current state of Libya right now you can see that the rebels are not what the US media claim them to be (establishing Sharia law, installing a central bank). Qaddafi was also supported by the west for some time if you look at his history there were many deals between him, France and many other western countries. It seems that his death was a blessing to the western world as he would have much to say if he was brought to trial which is what his son is also claiming having surrendered so he can stand trial.
There are also signs that the rebels are actually tied to Al-Qaeda (flying the Al-Qaeda flag outside a Benghazi courthouse) and also sources that say that the Rebels commited atrocities against black Libyans in the cities they took. The statement that they are a few tribes rebelling against Qaddafi has been floating around but I have yet to find solid proof but it does look like a better logical explanation. Look up Webster Tarpley for an explanation on the Libyan rebels.
If Qaddafi was so hated why wasn't he assassinated long before? He doesn't hide behind a tank like the US president does, he makes public appearances frequently and is many times seen out of his car's sunroof waving to the public. If his people hated him so much why didn't they just shoot him? Some of the questions I ask regarding the conflict.
Seems to me like the US wanted to install another more agreeing puppet government since Qaddafi didn't work towards their agenda.
Reputation: 200
i know right :\.
and we gotta suffer for these rich old men in suits.
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Having power changes people, whether we admit it or not. Peace would mean losing that power, which people dont usually want to give up.
^Just my opinion
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If Russia lacked the industrialization that would have been necessary to enable the possibility of creating a communist organisational form;
The USA definitely now lacks brains.
Nothing in the form of an alternative to governing would work. There are too many morons.
@Israel/Iran:
Both are not egalitarian states. While they don't seem to get along well, they aren't all that different.
@Gaddafi:
People here seem the need an update on how a dictatorship works. Of course the dictator tries his best to keep the people supporting him. Evil empire BS is just for Americans, who seemingly are ready to swallow any form of propaganda. It never worked that way.
Every dictator has to appease the masses. No dictatorship will lasts without a general consensus of it being the best available option.
It doesn't matter if as a single person you get directly harassed by the government or not. Stalin never went and harassed people directly aside from a calculated percentage. That is why people in Russia still can't grasp that he was an evil blight. Surely he never did anything bad to grandpa, why is everyone saying he was bad? It's because not only was he holding the whole nation as a hostage. He also killed of a significant part of it for no reason. Also he destroyed the wealth and basis of living for the majority, indirectly through ineffective leadership and through direct malign manipulation, that was only cloaked by deceptive propaganda.
So was he harming everyone? Yea, everyone had less food. As we can see loosing a portion of your riches can happen in all times, so it's not that sinister, is it? Civilians died. Well, nothing new here, right? Since the bombing of Dresden, there is no more chivalry, it's a part of the goings of the world.
What is it that he did?
He oppressed people. Of those who he didn't murder or directly hunt down, he took their dignity. They can't admit that, that's why they won't give in to this and his evilness.
Still that is what he did. This is why Israel and the Iran are similar, especially in their dealings with each other. They might seem to treat each other like people, but that's a front. There is no humanity in their dealings.
The think of each other like vermin.
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=339_1321994194
News by ABC.
Embarrassing.
Key point: The US is not denying.
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