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YepOriginally Posted by Gadiel
It's not like S4 where you can buy armor with +20% skills and damage(which is sad since it's a PvP game)
I've heard 5 slots, and I believe there are 8 classes so far. Meaning for most of us, we'll probably not have to get additional slots since most people don't play EVERY class.
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I am aware that you can buy Gems for Gold but that is basically like paying real money for power. Just spend a few thousand real life money and convert it to in-game gold and become mega rich. Now you can afford those top notch super expensive shit. Furthermore, being able to sell gems will just jack up prices for the average player. Just sell a thousand dollars worth of Gem and you're mega rich. Now sellers are just going to jack up prices of everything in the game because they know those people can afford it. The average are left in the dust.
If you're not okay with players buying gold from goldsellers, then you shouldn't be okay with players buying gold from the developers. That is basically what they're doing.
Guild Wars 1 was good because you had to rely on your own merchanting skills/ability. But now... it's just "shove a few thousand dollars and be instantly rich instead."
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I'm certainly not against your point in my next statement butI am aware that you can buy Gems for Gold but that is basically like paying real money for power. Just spend a few thousand real life money and convert it to in-game gold and become mega rich. Now you can afford those top notch super expensive shit. Furthermore, being able to sell gems will just jack up prices for the average player. Just sell a thousand dollars worth of Gem and you're mega rich. Now sellers are just going to jack up prices of everything in the game because they know those people can afford it. The average are left in the dust.
If you're not okay with players buying gold from goldsellers, then you shouldn't be okay with players buying gold from the developers. That is basically what they're doing.
Guild Wars 1 was good because you had to rely on your own merchanting skills/ability. But now... it's just "shove a few thousand dollars and be instantly rich instead."
who the flying **** is going to spends $1,000's on a game?
I know Entropia(i think that's the name) and EVE have some big spenders, however these people often have a means of making a profit out of it. EVE for example has guilds building ships and then selling them.(IRL)[unless the devs cracked down on it]
So to conclude: Not necessarily countering the validity of your point, however you should take note that making up big numbers only hurts you in an argument(of any sorts).
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That's pretty much my main concern, I'm atleast happy to see it's nothing gamebreaking at the very least.The objects that worries me are the extra character slots and bag upgrades...
I wonder how many character slots everyone gets by default and what the largest bags are that are available in the game with the normal currency. We all saw it coming 2 years ago, a lot of newsposts and articles featuring that micro transactions brings in a lot more money but I do think they are taking it a little over the top. We'll see, I think ArenaNet has it all figured out and I trust them
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Oh noes! instant repair! EXP boosters! COSTUMES OF ALL THINGS! SO OP AND NOW GW2 IS TRASH!
No, really now...The only thing I'm skeptical about is the mystic key thing...And if you can get those with ingame currency anyway it's fine.
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Do you know how many F2P games I review that have cash shops that look like this?
X Weapon (better then weapons available with ingame) for such and such real money.
X Armor (better then armor available with ingame) for such and such real money.
Etc, etc, etc.
GW2 doesnt look to have any of that. Ive played league of legends now for 3 years. I can tell you not once have I faced someone and felt "dang he is so much stronger then me because he has a skin, or an extra rune page!" I still just have 3 rune pages and you know what? Im fine with it. I will be fine with 5 character slots too. Ill want to get an extra bag slot but since I can get that with gold conversion I am no blowing a blood vessel.
Seriously just chill out....
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Yeah, literally the ONLY thing worth being concerned about is that key, but I highly doubt it will be anything game breaking.
We all saw how they did cash shop in GW1, I have faith in them.
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It changes things significantly that Guild Wars is a game you have to put down money for in the first place.
In a free to play game, I can let things slide, It's a free game, but, in a pay-to-play game or buy to play, you kinda expect these things to be implemented within the main content of the game, not separate and expected to be paid for with extra money.
You expect costumes to be unlocked via progression, keys and what-not to be dropped, resurrection scrolls to be NPCable.
Another issue is that, given the whole MMO model basically depends upon time-sinks, the idea of allowing players to buy "Time-savers" is basically a subtle form of buying power.
Which is simply not acceptable for me.
And if the cloud bursts, thunder in your ear.
You shout and no one seems to hear.
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the items in the cash shop are not the problem, the fact that i can go drop 200-1000$ into the game and sell the gems is, there have been a very large number of f2p mmo's where people can sell cosmetic cash shop items for in game gold and it almost always ruins the economy.
that being said if its anything like guild wars was gold will be borderline useless hell i sold a extra copy of nightfall to someone for 3200 plat and never had any use for it other then buying miniatures and keys.
real world trading no matter how its handled is bad imo.
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Keep in mind everything in the cash shop can be bought with in game currency. Also a lot of the keys and such drop off of mobs to begin with.
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CS seems to be no big deal. I don't think we use gold for much in game anyways, just repairs and teleports, some crafting stuff which doesn't do much either....so use your gold to buy CS items if you want.
Mystic box cant be a big deal, theres no meaningful items in GW2 to aquire.
Res stone doesnt work in pvp, so thats small potatoes too.
So everyones just going to buy a couple bags/bank slots, and use extra gold to buy magic find CS items.
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Only thing i can see myself buying from the cs is dyes and char slots, but of course ill usually stick to 1 character throughout the course of my play time so...that wont be for a while. trans stones can be purchased from npcs with karma so forget about those. I wont touch those costumes unless they look alot better than the picture provided.
Don't see anything game breaking as of yet, keeping in mind i can get gems with gold so whatever, this cash shop shouldnt ever be a problem from the looks of it.
Probably bag slots if i decide to put more time into a 'main'.
LeagueofLegends-ChuckleButt
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GW2's cash shop looks like allods cash shop you can earn everything in game use gold buy gems win win. oh noes costume over priced? dont buy it let the seller realize its not worth that much or let some idiot buy it.
All the negative comments in this thread just...
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This just in you all got told by the Mexican who cant even buy Dungeon Defenders DLC - you also got Ponyed DAYUM.GW2's cash shop looks like allods cash shop you can earn everything in game use gold buy gems win win. oh noes costume over priced? dont buy it let the seller realize its not worth that much or let some idiot buy it.
All the negative comments in this thread just...
- That being said why is everyone throwing a fit over cheap customs that serve no purpose in the game and exp pots and stuff? it's not like it EFFECTS THE GAME AT ALL
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I have a very hard time understanding what people were expecting from the cash shop. It's a B2P game, you don't pay monthly, you buy it once and you can play it forever without spending 1 penny and obtain everything in the cash shop using in-game currency. Even character slots and bag unlocks.
This game has been in development even before 2007, that is 5 years of hard work. Do you expect them to just give you everything in the game for a one time payment? And only have a few costumes AND THAT IS IT?
So you buy GW2, and once you gain the max level in every slot, and you want to purchase more slots, let's ignore the fact that you could buy those slots with in game money. So you have to spend £7/8 in a game that you've been enjoying for several months and you didn't pay 1 extra penny.
What if the game was P2P, do you no understand how much more money you'd be paying? How about if it went P2P AND cash shop like WoW?
Seriously, the only people that I can see moaning about this cash shop are very lazy young people that need to have everything NOW, but can't due to their mothers not buying them cash shop items.
I hate this word but I'm going to use it. Some people here have some severe issues with entitlement.
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The thing that worries me here is the attitude of the developers. They've been saying for years that the cash shop will have purely cosmetical items that won't affect gameplay. Now that the game has received a massive hype they completely drop the base with some herpderp cash shop. Sure the game is buy to play, but after the initial investment be ready to pour in 20-30€($) on inventory/bank space, keys to open randomly appearing chests, repair kits and resurrection orbs.
The devs also blatantly said that cash shop can have _ANYTHING_ since it's not P2W if you can get all the items through in-game -- cs currency exchange.
Those boosts are still WIP, we are probably going to see 1/3/7/30 days boosts with a lot higher %'s. No-one would buy 10% boosts for 1hr :e
Oh and the person who compared GW2 and LoL cash shop... just don't. These are completely different games with completely different enviroments and completely different cash shops purposes.
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So you've calculated this how? And those are 100% necessary because? And you will not be buying them with in-game money due to the fact that?
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^^Lol
10charr
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And whys that? They may be different genres but are heavily focused on fair and balanced PvP and as far as I know the cash shop contains nothing that gives a significant advantage (considering that the boosts are useless outside of PvP where everyone is the same level anyway).
All the equipment for certain level ranges in PvE have the same stats anyway except for special equipment which may be more skewed in one stat than another. Nothing gives one user a significant advantage over the other and also as a reminder you can gems with in-game money.
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Do you know if the CS currency exchange rate is based on the economy or set prices from the devs? Because it'd be difficult for non-cash shop users to buy cash shop currency in the beginning
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I wanna be ranger without the pets.
Should i be thief?
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From what I gathered, but I'm still really unsure, I think it's based on the economy. But even so, early on you don't need anything from the shop.
Thief uses it's shortbow as more of a mobility thing than anything else, but I guess it would work if you don't mind 1/2 skills just being you moving around rather than damage.
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Mystic Key: "This key will unlock one Mystic Chest. Mystic Chests can be found randomly on enemies or in hidden places in the world."
I guess someone got inspired by the Team Fortress 2 Cash Shop.
As long as the currency exchange is driven by the players, I don't think that gems will cost you a fortune and you probably won't get a fortune by selling gems.
However, for that to work you'll need A LOT of players.
Because even if you gold farm, you'll just end up with lots of gems. Those few who effectively gold farm and get, idk, thousands of gold, will have little impact on the actual prices due to the sheer mass of players not paying high prices for gems.
People want to sell gems for high prices, and the others want to buy gems for low prices. De facto, an average and more or less constant exchange rate will be the result. How high or low that will be, we might find out once GW2 is out for about a year.
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I hope the cash shop doesnt go beyond that.. Which i doubt it would.
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It's calculated in sense of optimizing your gameplay. Sure GW2 doesn't revolve around PvE, but that cash shop sure is PvE oriented.
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