Anti-Gun Propaganda Vs. Fact

[.c64]

If they really care about stopping needless deaths, why are they focusing on 0.001% of 0.3%-0.4% of the problem? Let me note that according to the FBI, over half of Americans will die due to heart diseases and malignant tumors. Cerebrovascular diseases, lung diseases and even accidents follow right after. I would note that accidents alone cause 4.4% of deaths in America. It goes without saying that diabetes follows it along with many other health problems that would be no brainers to know about. So how exactly are cell phones, cigarettes and unhealthy foods getting away with killing people with such high numbers? Seriously, think about it... It should be clear that anyone who wanted to stop deaths in America would have focus on things that kill half of the population, rather than something that kills less than 1%...

But they are focused on curing these diseases and cancers. I think billions goes into research to cure these things. Banning guns is just simpler, they just say "hey, guns are banned k", whereas they can't say "hey, cancer banned k". So comparing the two is pretty stupid.

E-Cigs are also gaining popularity, I'd be willing to bet that the introduction of them has stopped a lot of people getting cancer and will stop many more. Hopefully they can improve on these and eventually have a non-harmful complete replacement for the cigarette.

Also.. [OPINION TIME] Nobody has a need for guns outside of the military or a target range. Home protection and hunting are not good excuses either as there are hundreds of non-lethal alternatives for home protection and I don't think any of our ancestors had trouble providing food in the wild without a gun. People are gonna kill people regardless of gun laws I know, but the least they can do is make it more difficult for some kid to just grab daddy's gun and go shoot up his school. You give me a hundred reasons why you need a gun I'll give you a thousand alternatives. People got by just fine for thousands of years without them.

[Jaydude]

if you remove guns. government believe they have more power and put fear into people. and some people are hunters they dont want there weapons take away if there a hunter

A hunter could easily use a bow.

[Hizumi]

Too many gray areas. I'm for guns though. I just don't like certain arguments like:

"Guns don't kill people, people do" because a gun is like a pet right? They definitely weren't created for the purpose of taking lives right?
"Cars kill people too1!!, why dont be ban them!11" Cars weren't MADE to kill people though.

[NeoJaz]

A hunter could easily use a bow.

so you saying a bow can't kill a person if you think ban guns is ok. a bow and crossbow is cleans and silent weapon to use to kill people. a butter knife can kill a person.

[Jin-Roh]

[olaph]

I wasn't aware that the definition of facts had changed.

[Jaydude]

SWAT try to enter in known entrances with fear of what is behind non-entrances. Getting through a roof is easy as cake.

When is a SWAT gonna rob your home? And what burglar would go through the trouble to attempt roof access?

[Ronin]

No one is saying it's logical to pull out a gun while a gun is already being pointed at you and the person doing so can clearly see what you're doing.

So your idea of self defence is shooting people in the back without warning, while they don't see you and don't threaten you either.

Tnx for making such a great argument agianst guns in your and other nutters hands.

[Jin-Roh]

So your idea of self defence is shooting people in the back without warning, while they don't see you and don't threaten you either.

Tnx for making such a great argument agianst guns in your and other nutters hands.

If a threat presents itself clearly but gives me the opportunity to stop said threat, logically speaking, **** the law, lives are far more important, I'll gun down an armed mad man no matter which direction he is facing.

[Jin-Roh]

I love your logic... An armed citizen comes up to the Boston bomber and catches him planting his bombs. The bomber admits his plans and then turns his back. In your mind, he now can't be shot because his back is turned and now everyone in the Boston marathon is either dead or wounded... Makes sense!

[Ronin]

Well, the police doesn't do that for a reason.
There is no cause for self defence if you aren't threatened and have not exhausted all other options. Duh.

This is what self defence means according to a human rights point of view. I know, **** the law, **** human rights...
You'd "gun down people", because "lifes are far more important"?
Are you reading what sorry ass BS you are typing?

You are making a prime example why gun bans are waaaaaayy overdue in the US. People have lost all sense of proportion. They are not to be trusted to use their firearms responsible and within the boundries of their given rights? They are vocal about intending to break the laws, or at least disregard them as a rule?

Well, there you have it.
You and everyone like you is a threat to civil peace. You should be disarmed asap, by any means necessary, before you can cause disproportional harm, like all those other ****ed up nutters out there already are doing right now.
For your own safety, that is, because you can't handle your shit and the society you live in can't.

[Jin-Roh]

>Man is massacring hundreds of people
>Has back turned to you
>Can't be shot

lolk

[Jin-Roh]

Are you reading what sorry ass BS you are typing?

Ronin logic: You can't shoot a mass murdering terrorist in the back because he is not directly shooting at you... But I'm the one full of BS.

[Ronin]

You are not the judge of when, where and how rights and wrongs work here.

FFs am I glad you are not.
Now someone needs to get to you and make sure you can't cause any trouble with your antisocial outlook and your massive capabilites to cause irrepearable harm.

Yea, you are ready to say "**** human rights" and you know what, I am disgusted.

Go on a ****ing idiotic tangent. That person won't be you and I could care less.
The whole idea of "I will be the hero who saves the world from the terrorists" just shows again how out there you are and how you aren't fit to wield a weapon or understand the responsibility.

[olaph]

[Oisterman]

It seems to me the only people who are completely against guns are people who have never been around them. If all I saw of guns was in movies or on tv, I'd probably be against them too. If I lived in a city, I'd probably be against them as well...anyone living in a developed area only sees handguns and assault weapons.

I live in the damn woods. I need my gun. I can argue all day with someone who doesn't live here, but they'd never understand until they lived here. That simple.

I guess I could save up a bunch of opossums and raccoons and porcupines that are rabid/aggressive and invite them all over to kill them without guns. You wanna put one in a bag and drown it? Because I sure as **** don't. No, its not THAT common of a thing, but common enough that its a real issue for me. I don't enjoy killing them. Its an issue of safety, not only for myself but for my neighbors little kid, and my pets, and my family.

I also have a man who used to be a hobo (honest to god) living across the street. Hes a ****ing nutjob alcoholic. Hes a 40 year old man living with his mother because he got out of jail for arson. When he goes on drinking benders he tries to have sex with his family members, tells everyone hes going to burn down their houses, and talks about murdering his children. No, I'm not exaggerating. I wish I was. I don't feel safe with that ****ing maniac living across from my family. But my gun at least reminds me I can keep him of my house. Sure I can call the cops. But do I do that before or after they take 45 minutes to get to my house which is burned to the ground and full of the stabbed to death corpses of my family?

[NeoJaz]

All I keep seeing in this thread is excuses about animals and bad neighbors.

Countries with firearm bans have these problems too and they are getting by just fine, you learn to adapt.

People need to stop clinging on to lethal weapons like they're the cure for all your insecurities.

there many other things can kill people. look at boston no shooting there but a bomb went off and it did more damage then a gun shooter did. what if they found out it s student from one there college did it. are they going to ban science.


most people use guns in american to hunt deer

[.c64]

there many other things can kill people. look at boston no shooting there but a bomb went off and it did more damage then a gun shooter did. what if they found out it s student from one there college did it. are they going to ban science.


most people use guns in american to hunt deer

No, because science has a million good uses too. Guns are made to kill, maim and threaten. When they're not being used for that they're being used to practice killing, maiming and threatening. Don't get me wrong, I know it's fun to shoot at targets, I have a bit of a fascination for long range shooting myself but it's something I can live without if it means lives are being spared because of it. I keep hearing oh, guns have many other uses... what are they? Looking pretty on your wall before you shoot someone? Do you stir your coffees with your handguns in the morning? Do you change your babies diaper with a 12 gauge?

And I've been over the hunting thing in previous posts, a gun is never needed to hunt.

[Jin-Roh]

No, because science has a million good uses too. Guns are made to kill, maim and threaten. When they're not being used for that they're being used to practice killing, maiming and threatening. Don't get me wrong, I know it's fun to shoot at targets, I have a bit of a fascination for long range shooting myself but it's something I can live without if it means lives are being spared because of it. I keep hearing oh, guns have many other uses... what are they? Looking pretty on your wall before you shoot someone? Do you stir your coffees with your handguns in the morning? Do you change your babies diaper with a 12 gauge?

And I've been over the hunting thing in previous posts, a gun is never needed to hunt.

I take it no has answered because you're starting to sound like a troll at this point. No, my handgun does not stir the coffee that we don't need. Nor does my shotgun chance a babies diaper that we don't need. Nor can I ride on it like a plane we don't need. But funny enough, everything I just listed has the potential to kill a person and it's also a list of stuff I'm sure you would defend as needs and yet claim 'you don't need a gun for x'. If your logic is that we can use our bare hands to take down a threatening bear, by all means, we can walk around the world as a means of transport... lolk

So what can a gun do? Well my shotgun alone can signal a flare, start a fire, breach a door, LTL with beanbags, DISABLE and not kill a threat, DISARM and not kill a threat, mark a location from range and give out my location in a lost situation... All in one magazine. As soon as I reload, the possibilities are endless. Maybe I'll safely remove a hornet/bee nest or spear a fish with a bayonet attachment. Course I'll be able to do so in the dark with a flashlight attachment. If that runs out, I'll go ahead and just pop on a night vision sight. Once all else fails, it will make a good club and if that's not a use, field stripping will give me some useful parts in the bush. Etc etc etc... MFW teaching the ignorant.

[.c64]

Sorry, forgot you had to do all these things on a daily basis in the middle of a murderer filled city. My bad. Might lose some street cred using the actual tools that are made for these things.

But have fun running around in the dark with your night vision attachments shooting down bees nests.

[Hizumi]

Bombs dont kill people, people do

[Jin-Roh]

middle of a city.

[.c64]

Well the way you go on about home invasions and gangs with guns one would assume you were living in the middle of gang city.

So really you have no idea what the people living in bad neighborhoods do or do not go through on the subject of firearms.

Ya'll have fun with yer gun wielding animals now y'hear!

Also my point still stands, not every gun owner lives innawoods. They may be almost legit excuses for you, but the world doesn't revolve around you now does it.