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    All i'm seeing is "QQ PAY TO RESPEC IS PAY TO WIN'' and "It's free they need to make money"

    You don't NEED a respec. Around level 30 you have 2 points in almost every skill. Which the second/third bonuses don't make a huge difference that will impactthe skill majorly.
    For classes I've played anyways.

    There is only one paragon path per character so far, and when they release more, if you can't switch without respeccing then yeah that's stupid.
    As for the paragon trees, GWF and cleric both are shit, and a wrong decision doesn't ruin you.
    If it does, then you're bad and need to learn to play. For example, putting points in damage traits for cleric. I've been out damaged by every other class, my damage skills are weak, I'm sure putting points in damage to increase by 3% won't make it any better.


    tl;dr You'll have every skill, and parapaths aren't out yet, para trees are shit. Also you can earn astral diamonds.

    It'd be NICER if it were free, but it's not. the game is far from p2w. PWE sucks, but does no one remember RoM?Lol. Weren't you able to buy great gear in cash shop and shit on people who didn't?>>

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowdrop View Post
    I think people are whining over games that blatantly are designed to shove the cash shop down the players throat. Which, from my overall understanding, is exactly what Neverwinter is doing. Much like how Mabinogi locked an incredible amount of nice things behind its cash shop. As I said earlier, I think people are tired of this design in both f2p mmos and phone/tablet apps.
    Difference being, you don't need to spend a cent in Neverwinter to do anything we are talking about. Either way, so what if they are trying to make money? It goes without saying... THEY ARE TRYING TO MAKE MONEY. They are offering a completely free game and all of it's content, for nothing. Every moment you spend inside the game, not putting down any money to them, you're making them pay so you can play their own game. How fked up is that? THEY have to pay so YOU can play a game they spend zillions to create for YOUR pleasure? God, I get sicker of gamers with every breath I take. There isn't some uproar to pay $15 dollars to watch a movie under an hour but the moment you have to pay a few bucks over a mistake you made in a game that offers endless content... Holy balls, you best sh*t yourselves and form a lynch mob.

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    Why are you so angry? I was implying more that people might prefer paying up front instead of seeing so many things dangled in front of them that could potentially nickel and dime them to the point where they might end up spending hundreds a month. I understand they want to make money, but at times these games are getting ridiculous. I'm VERY happy that it can be obtained in game for free, but looking from the viewpoint of someone undecided on even trying the game, the thought of having the game constantly drawing me towards the cash shop is troubling.

    Anyways, instead of limiting you on major things like inventory and re-specializing, why not do like most successful f2p games and make a cosmetic store? Even adding a (discounted) package deal where you unlock basic features all at once would be better in my opinion (See edit >_>). Trust me, I'm all for supporting a game developer.

    Quick edit: I just remembered the founders packs, so with Neverwinter people who are complaining could ease their own pains pretty easily it seems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowdrop View Post
    Why are you so angry? I was implying more that people might prefer paying up front instead of seeing so many things dangled in front of them that could potentially nickel and dime them to the point where they might end up spending hundreds a month. I understand they want to make money, but at times these games are getting ridiculous. I'm VERY happy that it can be obtained in game for free, but looking from the viewpoint of someone undecided on even trying the game, the thought of having the game constantly drawing me towards the cash shop is troubling.

    Anyways, instead of limiting you on major things like inventory and re-specializing, why not do like most successful f2p games and make a cosmetic store? Even adding a (discounted) package deal where you unlock basic features all at once would be better in my opinion. Trust me, I'm all for supporting a game developer.
    You already can pay it all up front. Buy the $60 dollar pack, gain a load of crap and even 600,000 ADs... Heck, you can even do a few surveys on their site for direct Zen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jin-Roh View Post
    You already can pay it all up front. Buy the $60 dollar pack, gain a load of crap and even 600,000 ADs... Heck, you can even do a few surveys on their site for direct Zen.
    Yeah I remembered the packs shortly after I posted and agree that should have ended a bunch of the whining. But my stance on the state of the game industry still stands.

    Sadly though, had they made a cosmetic cash shop and included all these features into the game for regular gold and then simply sold the game for $60 like GW2 did, they'd probably be called heroes instead of receiving so much flak like they are now.

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    I heard that battlefield 4 is gonna be a knitting simulator, they took the same approach than cryptic on how to develop a d&d crpg franchise into a braindead action mmo. It's gonna be called "We Swear It's an FPS" a little homage to "Dungeon&Dragon Neverwinter".

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    I'm a little slow but why do people expect free respecs in games they play? (if it has one at all) It just kinda makes everything moot.

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    Keeping in mind that I haven't played yet, is it true that cash shop mounts are faster than non-cash shop ones? Seems like that'd be a bit of an issue for awhile. Unless the mounts are cheap that is.

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    Currently on the Mindflayer server AD converts to zen 499 to 1. 35k Ad equates to about 71 zen. I have made 650k AD today selling stuff in the AH. that's over 1300 zen in ONE DAY. All you need to do to convert them is click the button at the top and convert with the amount that you want. Then you wait for someone to buy your AD.

    If that's too hard to understand you are stupid as hell. i am having a great time in the game not spending a penny. learn2play or gtfo

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    You guys are gonna hate PSO 2 if you haven't played it yet.

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    Seriously? Over a ****ing respec? Unless you're unemployed/under 17 you should have no problem paying 6 dollars for something you MIGHT buy. And it's your choice to buy it. Why are we suddenly entitled to free respecs in a free to play game? It's an acceptable way for the company to make money. 6 dollars is less than an hour of work on a minimum wage job. Pay it or stop *****ing you cheap jews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryan View Post
    back in my day we opened our wallets and forked out cash for gear and weapons.

    poor chil'run have it good these days. back in '03 we would've paid 50$ dollars for a respec.
    Yes, and now it's 2013, where this f2p model is archaic. We've all played our share of these korean MMOs with their horrible cash shops. Times are changing though. We've had tons of options where they don't do stuff like that. You guys act like we care about money. I don't care about spending money in a game, it's the principal. I also don't care if respecs cost in game gold, I don't need them to be free. The problem is right now they are tied to a cash shop currency, with a fluctuating market. This means right now, a respec might only cost you a day of grinding. However, how much is it going to cost in 3 months, after inflation hits? How is a new player ever going to afford a respec after inflation?

    Look at GW2, first week it was 20-30s for 100 gems in their cash shop. 3 months later, you were looking at about 2g10s per 100 gems. This is what will happen to Neverwinters market.

    I remember why I stopped coming to these forums. Instead of legit conversation about why in this day and age, it's ok for something like a respec to be in a cash shop. People just call people children, broke kids, or tell them they think they are entitled. This isn't 2003, f2p models have shifted so so much since then, and just because it was ok then, doesn't make it ok now. You guys act like they have to charge real money for respecs to make a profit, when this has been proven time and time again lately, that this is entirely not the case, and games with entirely cosmetic stuff, make huge profits. This is just a money grab, which is unacceptable in 2013.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryan View Post
    back in my day we opened our wallets and forked out cash for gear and weapons.

    poor chil'run have it good these days. back in '03 we would've paid 50$ dollars for a respec.
    And really far back people died at the age of 30, boy do you kids have it easy, you get to see your grandchildren become adults.


    Their cash shop model stinks. I would happily contribute and spend money on the game, but not the way it is right now.


    Quote Originally Posted by Edge View Post

    I remember why I stopped coming to these forums. People just call people children, broke kids, or tell them they think they are entitled.
    You and me both, hence I only pop up once in a while.

    Atleast 1 respec for each character, a common courtesy in most games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge View Post
    do some surveys to respec? Sounds like a blast.
    Now let's lolify that...

    Go to work to buy a car? Sounds like a blast.

    Use what you've earned to buy things from those who deserve payment? Sounds like a blast.

    Get off the computer chair to take a dump? Sounds like a blast.

    Yeah man, fk the system! I shouldn't have to do things to get what I want. Everything should just be handed to me on a silver platter. Why should I have to pay for a game that hundreds, if not thousands of people worked their asses off to create? I deserve to live life at the fullest and everyone else should just kiss my back side and don't deserve anything from me.


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    lol.....That's all I gotta say to that, not worth my time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge View Post
    lol.....That's all I gotta say to that, not worth my time.
    Can't even come up with a good enough retort eh? Go figure.

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    Well, to prevent further argument, I guess we'll all have to agree to disagree. The thread has run its course and will probably just end up being redundant and aggressive.

    Closed.

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