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    Quote Originally Posted by shadowsun50 View Post


    http://pc.ign.com/objects/842/842671.html

    Here's a game involving portals.
    A game with portals aren't too hard to find but I never seen an online one

    Anyway I'm not sure they need to be able to do something with a vacuum I can't remeber its been a while since I've done anything on this

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    Quote Originally Posted by XDeathMetalX View Post
    A game with portals aren't too hard to find but I never seen an online one

    It's not a game with portals, it's the game with portals.

    Why?

    Watch some of the videos.

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    I'd say anything is possible but at the same time it is not.

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    Man that's a brilliant game/mod. I love it. I'm so going to get that.

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    what if it made your atoms malfunction and you die?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Astro View Post
    Man that's a brilliant game/mod. I love it. I'm so going to get that.
    It'l be part of "Half-life 2: Orange Box" this Winter. (Note, Orange Box not only contains TF2, HL2:Ep2, and Portal, but it also contains HL2 and HL2:Ep1.
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    Now, the idea of wormholes is complicated to understand, but to best put it, wormholes are a forth dimensional object acting upon the third dimension. In the forth dimension, you can imagine time as being a stable plane of existance rather than, how we experience it, as an instance at a single moment. Essentially say, you could change [your moment in time] simply by moving around.

    Confused?? Lets go deeper. Lets use 2d and 3d for better understanding. Take a piece of paper and fold it over itself . . . punch a hole throgh the folded paper. Now, in 3d we can see that the 2d space is folded over itself and branching a tunnel; however, since the 2d universe would not be able to see this tunnel effect (due to their lack of 3d) it would appear as 2 entrances that magically teleport [the user through space] had appeared.

    In the same instance, in our universe, we would no be able to witness the tunnel between the opening and closing of the wormhole simply becaue the tunnel esxists as a 4th dimensional object which cannot exist in the 3rd dimension.

    Now, remember what I said about time actually haveing a plane of existance in the 4th dimension? Well, with wormholes, we could manipulate it so that the wormhole exit shifts along that timperal plane, thus, allowing us create a bridge through time. The problem with this theory, though, is that since we are constantly shifting along the 4th dimensions timperal plane, we would have to maintain the enterance of the wormhole at our exact timperal location.
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    Did I confuse you much??

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    Where did you get that theory from ncyphe...i know i've heard it before.

    What we first need to learn how to do is freeze the fourth dimension. That would be the only way to ever be able to travel through time. But freezing the fourth dimension would probably screw everything up, so yeah ^_^

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cingal View Post
    There was a program about this on the BBC...
    Indeed there was. It was called "Doiwn The Rabbit Hole", and it was about Quantum Physics. Watch it, it will blow your mind...

    http://www.whatthebleep.com/

    http://www.bleepstore.com/store/pc/v...idproduct=1772



    I got it from Blockbuster thinking it would be a live action Alice in Wonderland, but...it was insane. I watched it, and I don't think I blinked the whole time...its CRAZY the things that video shows...

    I think the biggest problem would be getting the atoms to reassemble correctly at the other end...you could go in a human, and come out a coconut...scary.

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    Ncyphe your explanation was good, but I've never seen you make so many grammatical errors >.>

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    if you're gonna talk about dimensions..

    http://www.tenthdimension.com/medialinks.php

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astro View Post
    Ncyphe your explanation was good, but I've never seen you make so many grammatical errors >.>
    It's sleep deprivation + my inacuracy at speed typeing + and probably a couple other problems (can someone say, "first phases of CTS?")

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    I went through and fixed my origanal post, to a degree.

    Quote Originally Posted by Associated View Post
    Where did you get that theory from ncyphe...i know i've heard it before.
    It's actually a combination of theories that, ironically, make a whole lot of sense. Not to mention, hours of boredum up in booth (you can only watch the same movie so many times) tend to leave me analyzing things. One day, the 10 dimensions flash poped in my head, as well as some show I saw back on the (Rest in Peace) TechTV, some years back, and I realized it just fit. I wouldn't be surprised if somebody already theorized this, though.

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    If anything with mass travels at the speed of light, it'll create a blackhole. So unless you want to destroy the world, don't build a space ship that travels at the speed of light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaydude View Post
    what if it made your atoms malfunction and you die?
    A, Atoms are Elements, if you want to get into technical standpoints you are made up of molecules (i.e. oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, calcium, and phosphorus).
    B, Atoms don't "Malfunction" for there you are implying they have a problem. Atoms can loose electrons due to extremities, however, they never "Malfunction." Please take chemistry, kthx.

    Quote Originally Posted by ncyphe View Post
    It'l be part of "Half-life 2: Orange Box" this Winter. (Note, Orange Box not only contains TF2, HL2:Ep2, and Portal, but it also contains HL2 and HL2:Ep1.
    ----------------------

    Now, the idea of wormholes is complicated to understand, but to best put it, wormholes are a forth dimensional object acting upon the third dimension. In the forth dimension, you can imagine time as being a stable plane of existance rather than, how we experience it, as an instance at a single moment. Essentially say, you could change [your moment in time] simply by moving around.

    Confused?? Lets go deeper. Lets use 2d and 3d for better understanding. Take a piece of paper and fold it over itself . . . punch a hole throgh the folded paper. Now, in 3d we can see that the 2d space is folded over itself and branching a tunnel; however, since the 2d universe would not be able to see this tunnel effect (due to their lack of 3d) it would appear as 2 entrances that magically teleport [the user through space] had appeared.

    In the same instance, in our universe, we would no be able to witness the tunnel between the opening and closing of the wormhole simply becaue the tunnel esxists as a 4th dimensional object which cannot exist in the 3rd dimension.

    Now, remember what I said about time actually haveing a plane of existance in the 4th dimension? Well, with wormholes, we could manipulate it so that the wormhole exit shifts along that timperal plane, thus, allowing us create a bridge through time. The problem with this theory, though, is that since we are constantly shifting along the 4th dimensions timperal plane, we would have to maintain the enterance of the wormhole at our exact timperal location.
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    Did I confuse you much??

    Alright the beginning of this may make sense but I assure you the second part will be confusing as hell. And again, I spent all morning writing this and taking out typos, though if I missed any grammatical errors, my apologies.



    A black hole is suggested to be the end product of a large star that is collapsing into itself. Due to the fact that gravitational acceleration is calculated by the formula:

    a=Gm(sub)b/r*r

    This is where mB is the mass of the black hole, as the radius (r) of the star decreases, the gravitational field on it's surface increases. Now, I'm sorry about the next bit OnRPGers but its going to get confusing. This in turn causes a chain reaction in which a greater force is put on the star to collapse. The reaction then decreases in size even further, and the gravity of it's surface increases. It is suggested that a star would have to have a mass equivalent to three times our sun to become a black hole. If a star with an equivalent mass to the Earth were to collapse into a black hole, the space that all of the matter would take up would have a radius of less than 9mm. The gravitational field created would have important effects to it's surrounding environment.

    Einstein's theory of general relativity, suggests nearby to the star, strong distortions occur in the structure of space. Einstein found that the acceleration was equal when changing motion occured, thus he compared to when changed by gravitational fields. From this, Einstein helped scientists realize that at the point of a gravitational field, space itself is curved so that moving particles follow the same path (I really don't know how to explain this better) as they would if they were being accelerated.

    Note this Next Part is taken from a website for it'll take me way to long to explain and this is rather condensed.
    The effect of this gravitational field produces a enhancement of the curvature of space, in terms of a phonton of light projected from the surface of the star that is not directly along the path of the normal. It becomes deflected, causing an increased angle compared to the angle that it was projected at. Similarly, light that 'grazes' the surface of a strong gravitational sphere is deflected in the same way. The stronger the gravitational field is (i.e.the denser that the star is), the greater the angle of deflection and the greater the velocity of the wave that has to be projected to escape the field. As the density increases, the field's pull is so great that the photon of light directed horizontally at the field is deflected into the orbit of the star.

    The star's light may be projected from the surface of the star to escape it's gravitational field. When the projection's angle is equal to that of the normal, the light is projected radially, escaping deformation, yet when the light is projected at any other angle, it is deflected away from the normal. The stronger the gravitational field, the greater the deflection, and the smaller the angle becomes that light is allowed to project away from the surface at without being pulled into orbit. Thus as the star becomes more dense, it's gravitational field strength is increased, until eventually the angle at which light is allowed to project away from the star is 0 degrees. As light has the greatest velocity of any known thing, and is said to go at the natural speed limit (approx 300,000,000m per second), as soon as light cannot escape from the boundary of the decaying star, neither can anything else. At this point light from both from the star itself, and that hitting the field from other sources cannot escape, thus a black hole is born.
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    To simplify things down (not stolen anymore :P), there have been may theories on creating black holes, but to go down to the sheer essence, we have yet to see them. So in truth Black holes have never been seen directly. However, their effect on the surroundings is clear to see. This creates a principle called Occam's Razor, i.e. (that 'the explanation of any phenomenon that requires the fewest arbitrary assumptions is the most likely to be the correct one', we assume that black holes exist, and continue to make their own individual mark in the universe we live in.)


    Note, I take Quantum Mechanics however, I tried to avoid using any direct notation to the theroys and rather just explain them.

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    Nevermind, sorry for being a dick.

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    Alright quick hand your annoying ass threads were ok for awhile but now this?!?!?!? WTF!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AthlaS View Post
    If anything with mass travels at the speed of light, it'll create a blackhole. So unless you want to destroy the world, don't build a space ship that travels at the speed of light.
    Not true. A scientist has theorized that if you created a magnetic field strong enough, you could propel a space craft true space with it. Over abundantly increase the magnetic field and you will be able to bypass the laws of light speed and go faster is a sort of, "sub space" phase.

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    They couldn't exist if they dont lead somewhere. If you get sucked in where do you go?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stabkiller0 View Post
    They couldn't exist if they dont lead somewhere. If you get sucked in where do you go?
    You go to infinity. Light and (could be perceived as) matter of the third dimension ceases to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stabkiller0 View Post
    They couldn't exist if they dont lead somewhere. If you get sucked in where do you go?
    Actually, black holes do lead somwhere, they just don't go far.

    All a black hole is is a distortion in space where an infinite amount of gravity is pulling everything around it into infinite compression. Like crushing a car into a tiny brick. So everything that does enter a black hole becomes a tiny spec at the back of it.

    Remember: It's impossible to see a black hole, so we don't actually know what it looks like. In fact, the only thing we can see from a black hole is the spiraling of light as it get pulled into the black hole and when it finnally dissappears when the black holes gravity has full effent.

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