When is Racism okay; and by whom?

[creasian]

Just wondering how many of you have cuts in your moral quilt. There is a plethora of examples where someone says racism is 100% bad but then turns around and exhibits socially accepted racism.

Hell, many dont even know the different wouldnt you agree? Some think they deserve to be racist, other say they themselves deserve to be because of the first. People like to link the excuse of having a bent moral code to another color, regardless of REAL prevalent experiences or not.

In the movies we see things go back and forth. It is as if we all get a "turn" right? We need to perhaps? Or couldnt we just let it go?

In my view, Racism is Racism. I dont think it should be needed to explain to a child that because of someone of their pigment of a past generation that they, in turn, now recieve the same treatment. That, in all respect to individual choice, I find it hard to fathom why a young person must relive the stupidity and not be allowed a clean slate.

[shadowsworn]

I see that you're new. We've had this argument on these boards quite a bit, and it always devolves into the kind of vicious and pointless argument argument where two people are quoting each other in page long posts which no one but them reads.

[Fuxey]

Racism is never acceptable, but it might be logical from time to time.

[Deimos]

amongst friends we sometimes laugh at racist jokes but i dont consider myself a racist. everyone does that once in a while, who can honestly say they have never done that? not very many people i bet.

but there is a big difference between telling a racist anecdote in jest and running out into the street yelling abuse at someone for the sole purpose of making them feel threatened/intimidated.

commence huge mega-post quote wars!

[Ronin]

For it to be racism, it needs one thing which is intent.

Therfore it is always bad, besides the intent is to make a joke, where it can be ok if, one of the "joked upon" group is present and representing the group, is okay with it.

In a discussion, one should avoid to try to disproove an argument by calling it racisst in my oppinion, if its possible, because thats a very emotionaly charged response, which can be assumed to be a cheapshot for the winning.

[Xenonight2]

Racism is bad, m'kay.

Don't do racism, m'kay.

[Deimos]

Racism is bad, m'kay.

Don't do racism, m'kay.

i bet theres lots of people who class racism as "saying bad things about black people" but they wouldnt hesitate for a second to discriminate against fat people, religious people, freakishly tall/short people, ugly people, disabled people.

in a way all discrimination is the same sa racism since its singling out an individual or group based (usually) on physical attributes which they largely have no control over.

but we all still do it.

[creasian]

I see that you're new. We've had this argument on these boards quite a bit, and it always devolves into the kind of vicious and pointless argument argument where two people are quoting each other in page long posts which no one but them reads.

Acually i have lurked here, well, it goes back to your OLD forums, for many years now. I just always lurked. I am going back to college now so I said hell, might as well register and have some fun.

However, I am very sure this has been butchered here as well as everywhere else. However mine isnt to incite any kind of win or side.

I mean.. i could just be doing this so later on when someone corners me with a arguement, and they say something here but different in another thread, I have a retort! Yet very unlikely and not my style.

No.. I asked this because I have read and seen lately the ignorance by some of the members here on their viewpoints. I phrased the topic for that very reason. It is rather amusing to see some people make a racial remark in a thread and it be ignored, usually because of the rule of thumb, and acually be at the end of the remark!

This is more of a game on my end to see if anyone even realizes what it is. Regardless of the perspectives given, i wont hold nothing personal agaist anyone here, or retort it in a new thread. I just am insanely curious.

EDIT:

Some people say something beautiful on a forum and never even understand their own words.

At the same time, a beautiful person can say something truely ugly and never realize it.

[Ronin]

I see that you're new. We've had this argument on these boards quite a bit, and it always devolves into the kind of vicious and pointless argument argument where two people are quoting each other in page long posts which no one but them reads.

I just want to use this as an opportunity to get offtopic a little.

I dont realy get the obsession with this "issues", lately.
How can you say an argument is pointless?

If you dont read it, why bothering others with that fact?

I have a realy hard time to understand, why people do bash others for having a dispute, and often do not bother to contribute, or even point out what they dislike.
Its obvious that as long it goes on, for the two people its worth the argument and busting in to say nothing but "Stop now!" is awfully rude.

Noone forces anone to read what he posts.
Noone can hinder anyone to post and contribute or discuss what he wants to.

What the hell is you peoples problem?

[AbysmalGuilt]

I think people that joke about it really don't help at all. They just put a generalization in the back of someones head which they then recite when they wanna be amusing.

Though at the same time, I don't think racism has so much to do with words as it does with unfair treatment. So people that just come out with generalizations aren't being racist(Everyone get that clear) it's people acting on those generalizations, applying them to the given race merely due to prejudice is what makes it racism.

Prejudice is necessary for survival, but the thing you need to know is the difference between irrational and rational prejudice.

[shadowsworn]

im guessing he means that more often than not it turns into a battle of opinions dressed up as facts and that people get angry.

arguing or debating over something is worthwhile if you gain something from it, like if you learn about new perspectives or some new piece of information. but if its just two people saying stuff and not really listening to the other person then it gets kind of pointless. especially if people go off on a tangent continually.

QFT

I have a problem with it because when it happens, two people are ruining a perfectly good thread for everyone else for the sake of stroking their own egos. Or in other words, these people are being assholes and are showing no respect for others.

These arguments end up going in circles (the same "facts" get pulled out again and again), and end up being endurance contests (whoever can get the last and biggest post wins), rather than debates.

Personally, I think that if you're going to debate, you should keep your posts as short and to the point as possible. No one wants to hear you argue semantics and imo if an opinion can't be expressed in five lines or less it's probably not worth reading anyway.

Also, arguing point by point is just a bad way to argue. When possible, you should try to keep as focused as possible on the main issue. Make one to three important points that in your opinion settle the issue, and wait for your opponent to answer.

Also, posting too much in a topic is bad form. If you've been the only one answering posts more than three times in a row, step back and realize that you need to get a life.